Monorail extesion DL or WDW?

[Figment632]

So who has a better chance at seeing a monorail extension WDW or DL if they built a 3rd gate in DL?

I would think DL because it's a much smaller distance and the area for the 3rd gate is about the same distance as DHS and Epcot.

My second question is where would you like to see the monorail extended in WDW?
There's no need to extend it to DHS since it's so close to Epcot, so are we just talking AK?

 

[DDAY]

I would definetly say Animal kingdom but that is a long distance.

 

[tractorm3]

Although tons of us would like to see an extension we never will. the original monorail was built in a time when there were not many conservation laws and things were lax. It jut would cost way to much to extend it when the busing system is far more efficient (in terms of money, maitenance, and expansion) at transporting people.


People say that they dont expand it since the track would cost $1million per mile, well it DID cost $1mil per mile when it was built way back when. any one want to calculate how much in today's dollars that is?

if they could do it for 1mil/mile we would see it everywhere!

 

[Figment632]

I could see them doing it in DL due to the position of the land they have for their 3rd gate, its really the only feasable way to provide transportation if it is built.

 

[ClemsonTigger]

DL just does not use it's monorail as routine transportation as WDW does. It is more of an "attraction ride". Not that there will be any expansion of monorails anywhere, but there is just no need at DL.

 

[WDWNooby]

Although I have not been to WDW yet (first trip coming up); it would seem to me that Monorail would be a nice addition to getting to all of the parks at the World. I understand about conservation laws but maybe there is a way that they could be added without destroying/hurting too much land? Perhaps underground?

 

[ClemsonTigger]

Although I have not been to WDW yet (first trip coming up); it would seem to me that Monorail would be a nice addition to getting to all of the parks at the World. I understand about conservation laws but maybe there is a way that they could be added without destroying/hurting too much land? Perhaps underground?

It's not so much a matter about environmental impact as it is the astronomical cost of installing the segments and the limitations of the system to address volume surges.

 

[Figment632]

DL just does not use it's monorail as routine transportation as WDW does. It is more of an "attraction ride". Not that there will be any expansion of monorails anywhere, but there is just no need at DL.

I disagree it would be used as serious transportaion if they expanded to a third gate. Do to the positioning of the third gate it could be the only feasable option unless they get a fleet of busses with the sole purpose of transporting people from DL to the third gate.

 

[ClemsonTigger]

I disagree it would be used as serious transportaion if they expanded to a third gate. Do to the positioning of the third gate it could be the only feasable option unless they get a fleet of busses with the sole purpose of transporting people from DL to the third gate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the property bought already that is the proposed foundation of the proposed third gate right across the street? This is an easy walk!

 

[Master Yoda]

Although I have not been to WDW yet (first trip coming up); it would seem to me that Monorail would be a nice addition to getting to all of the parks at the World. I understand about conservation laws but maybe there is a way that they could be added without destroying/hurting too much land? Perhaps underground?

The biggest hurdle with the monorail is simply cost and not environmental issues. While environmental restrictions have gotten much stricter in the nearly 30 years since the last monorail expansion they are not standing in the way of a new expansion. Underground construction in Florida borders on impossible. The water table is simply too high and the closest thing we have to bed rock is lime stone which can be eroded with a garden hose.

The only way I see them ever expanding the monorail is if they charge to ride it and even then it is a HUGE stretch.

 

[Figment632]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the property bought already that is the proposed foundation of the proposed third gate right across the street? This is an easy walk!

It's a strawberry field that is about 80 acheres, I will post a sat pic of the area in a few minutes but that graphic doesn't look right to me.

 

[devoy1701]

I thought you guys used to kid about how often monorail expansion threads show up on here...

 

[majortom1981]

hmm

I would say if disney ever thinks it would be more economical to expand the system they will do it.

Right now the bus system is cheaper so there is no reason to expand the monorail.

 

[Phonedave]

The biggest hurdle with the monorail is simply cost and not environmental issues. While environmental restrictions have gotten much stricter in the nearly 30 years since the last monorail expansion they are not standing in the way of a new expansion. Underground construction in Florida borders on impossible. The water table is simply too high and the closest thing we have to bed rock is lime stone which can be eroded with a garden hose.

The only way I see them ever expanding the monorail is if they charge to ride it and even then it is a HUGE stretch.

And .... to extend to monorail to go from MK -> EPCOT -> AK is . watch out, here it comes, .... really quite useless. There, I said it.

It would do almost nothing to reduce bus use at the worst time of the day - park closing. The only people that would be able to use a monorail to get from AK to their resort would be those at the Poly, GF, adn Contemporary. All others would still have either a car at a park somewhere, or need to get on a bus to get to their resort.

All that an AK monorail extention would provide is easier park hopping.

To make the monorail actualy usefull as a transportation device at park closing (and opening for that matter) it needs to service additional resorts - not parks.

Run an loop through OKW and SSR and now you are talking about moving a load of people. Of course now you hith the next problem. You do that and you will get loads of offsite people parking at DTD, walking to SSR, and getting on the monorail. Heck, I would even say putting a monorail station at DTD would be a great idea, except for the free parking issue.

-dave

 

[hbrady77]

I agree, park hopping on buses no matter how many they run can never match the monorail. Sad to say but it will never happen.

 

[WDWLOVER1957]

Although tons of us would like to see an extension we never will. the original monorail was built in a time when there were not many conservation laws and things were lax. It jut would cost way to much to extend it when the busing system is far more efficient (in terms of money, maitenance, and expansion) at transporting people.


People say that they dont expand it since the track would cost $1million per mile, well it DID cost $1mil per mile when it was built way back when. any one want to calculate how much in today's dollars that is?

if they could do it for 1mil/mile we would see it everywhere!

Can't remember if I read or heard it, but it was $1 mill per foot to expand, so no chance

 

[Figment632]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the property bought already that is the proposed foundation of the proposed third gate right across the street? This is an easy walk!

If you click on this link the 3rd gate would be next to the convention center where Fujishighe Farm and the Buzz over flow parking lot is. It looks a lot futher that the graphic you have even though it is techniqely across the street. I quess they could us a shuttle service but if I were Diseny I wouldnt want my guests to have to cross the street to get to the park. If it was possible to extent the monorail I would, or use some kind of shuttle service.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=33.8024015&lon=-117.9107237&z=15&l=0&m=a&v=2

 

[devoy1701]

Although tons of us would like to see an extension we never will. the original monorail was built in a time when there were not many conservation laws and things were lax. It jut would cost way to much to extend it when the busing system is far more efficient (in terms of money, maitenance, and expansion) at transporting people.


People say that they dont expand it since the track would cost $1million per mile, well it DID cost $1mil per mile when it was built way back when. any one want to calculate how much in today's dollars that is?

if they could do it for 1mil/mile we would see it everywhere!

actually labor/cost of goods is getting cheaper now (as apposed to a year or 2 ago) so if we had a proactive resort president who thought of looking into the future of the Resort....we might get something done.

 

[krankenstein]

The fact is, as long as the buses work, you won't see a monorail expansion. :shrug:

 

[Uncle Lupe]

Can't remember if I read or heard it, but it was $1 mill per foot to expand, so no chance

There is no way that is right unless it becomes a government project. Its a monorail not a space shuttle.