Monorail Expansion Map

PeterAlt · Oct 17, 2003

Originally posted by josh_e_washie
I love the thought of connecting so many things, but I don't think a switcher on the track would make much sense. Where would the stations be located? What if I wanted to go from AK or DD to MK? How many stations would i have to remain on until i got there? And how long would that trip take? This would make busses more efficient. The issue is when you start adding resorts to the monorail line. Instantly, hundreds, if not thousands, want to get from point a to b. In addition to this, there are peeps from the TTC (is that still on the map?) other theme parks, and the DD area that need to board. Unfortunately I'm not sure how much more the monorail can expand before it becomes inefficient. The two lines that they have now are easy to understand (remember, when peeps are on vacation they don't want to have to do that much thinking, so going from GF to Epcot is easy for example). But the lines you are proposing require a lot of stops and transfers. Not to mention....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!

No, you can make direct routes out of the map I made. For example, you can have trains that stop at restorts and parks, while other trains would stop at the parks only. You can have direct routes that make less stops. For example, if you're at AK, you may take a "yellow" train to the MK, or a "blue" train to EPCOT, or a "green" train to Downtown Disney. All routes would use the same tracks, but a train could go "off line" to another pair of tracks to stop, so that the trains behind it could keep going, without waiting for the stopped train.

niteobsrvr · Oct 18, 2003

Originally posted by PeterAlt
No, you can make direct routes out of the map I made. For example, you can have trains that stop at restorts and parks, while other trains would stop at the parks only. You can have direct routes that make less stops. For example, if you're at AK, you may take a "yellow" train to the MK, or a "blue" train to EPCOT, or a "green" train to Downtown Disney. All routes would use the same tracks, but a train could go "off line" to another pair of tracks to stop, so that the trains behind it could keep going, without waiting for the stopped train.

There are people who can't even figure out that the bus that says DOwntown DIsney on it Doesn't go to the Magic Kingdom. Colored trains all running on one track is way more complicated than that. A lot of people would have to be issued a supply of Xanax with their vacation in order to make it thru the week.

Invero · Oct 18, 2003

Originally posted by niteobsrvr
There are people who can't even figure out that the bus that says DOwntown DIsney on it Doesn't go to the Magic Kingdom.

LOL... ain't that the truth...

Meyers · Oct 18, 2003

Originally posted by PeterAlt
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My proposal -- add switches connecting the TTC/Magic Kingdom loops (black), add extensions looping to Animal Kingdom and Downtown Disney (brown). These extensions could also stop at Disney-MGM, Blizzard Beach, Typhoon Lagoon, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Corando Springs, and between World Showcase and Disney Boardwalk. There could be express trains going to attractions only, or different color trains, all taking on different routes.

Comments?

I wish your plan could become a reality. I first visited WDW in 1975 when there was only the one loop around the lake in front of the Magic Kingdom. Great when EPCOT Center extension was done in 1982.

But since the Eisner regime started in 1984, monorails were evidently out and replaced by parking lots substituted at Disney/MGM Studios and Animal Kingdom. Lots cost less than monorails I assume, less to operate and parking fees can be charged.

I saw a 1975 masterplan for WDW and it did have a third theme park planned that was connected by monorail as well as an airport!

Doubt if Eisner would ever spend the money for more monorails, so much a part of Disney image and history. Only way I could see it happening would probably not be popular, that of charging guests for riding the monorail system. But then parking at Disneyland was once only 50 cents even up to the 1970's. Now it is $7.00 I believe. Where else can you park? Yeah, monorails!!!!

Meyers

"DisneySky," Walt Disney World, 2010

PeterAlt · Oct 18, 2003

Re: Re: Monorail Expansion Map

Originally posted by Meyers
I wish your plan could become a reality. I first visited WDW in 1975 when there was only the one loop around the lake in front of the Magic Kingdom. Great when EPCOT Center extension was done in 1982.

But since the Eisner regime started in 1984, monorails were evidently out and replaced by parking lots substituted at Disney/MGM Studios and Animal Kingdom. Lots cost less than monorails I assume, less to operate and parking fees can be charged.

I saw a 1975 masterplan for WDW and it did have a third theme park planned that was connected by monorail as well as an airport!

Doubt if Eisner would ever spend the money for more monorails, so much a part of Disney image and history. Only way I could see it happening would probably not be popular, that of charging guests for riding the monorail system. But then parking at Disneyland was once only 50 cents even up to the 1970's. Now it is $7.00 I believe. Where else can you park? Yeah, monorails!!!!

Meyers

"DisneySky," Walt Disney World, 2010

Thanks for the post! I wish I could see that 1975 plan you saw. I did see a Master Plan from 1983, right before Eisner got in there. It had a monorail extension planned to go from EPCOT Center to Disney Vallage Marketplace (now Downtown Disney). It did not have a third theme park. As a side note, included were plans for never-built attractions, such as the Tron Arcade at Communicore (now Innoventions) at EPCOT, and others.

I think Eisner does not dislike the idea of extending the monorail, but I know there have been voices, within the Eisner camp, complaining about when it breaks down, they have to pay Bombardier (the builder of the monorail system) an arm a leg for a spare part. So the idea from the Eisner regime is to either find another company to build a new type of system with standardized parts, or build it themselves, using standardized parts.

tumbleweed12 · Oct 18, 2003

Ah No

Not another on of these posts!!!!! Sure it would be nice but it will probably never happen!!! :hammer: Do you know how many posts i've read that are about this topic? Alot. All of them are the same and all mention the same idea. It's all to far away and will never happen. Get over it. Yeah sure it would be nice like i said but get over it!

Invero · Oct 18, 2003

Re: Ah No

Originally posted by tumbleweed12
Not another on of these posts!!!!! Sure it would be nice but it will probably never happen!!! :hammer: Do you know how many posts i've read that are about this topic? Alot. All of them are the same and all mention the same idea. It's all to far away and will never happen. Get over it. Yeah sure it would be nice like i said but get over it!

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

SNS · Oct 18, 2003

Re: Ah No

Originally posted by tumbleweed12
Not another on of these posts!!!!! Sure it would be nice but it will probably never happen!!! :hammer: Do you know how many posts i've read that are about this topic? Alot. All of them are the same and all mention the same idea. It's all to far away and will never happen. Get over it. Yeah sure it would be nice like i said but get over it!

This one is different since it's about the map he made.

xiosmx5 · Oct 21, 2003

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Monorail Lime · Oct 22, 2003

Originally posted by josh_e_washie
I think a great example of the change in monorail usage is on the MK line. Previous to (about) 1998, one line would run clockwise, one counterclockwise. Now, one serves all of the hotels and MK and the other serves just TTC and MK.

The monorail lines still run in opposite directions... resort (interior) runs clockwise, express (exterior) runs counter-clockwise. The express TTC/MK line never regularly stopped at all the resorts because Polynesian and Floridian don't have platform access to the external track.

Donald_Quackers · Oct 22, 2003

Originally posted by Monorail Lime
The monorail lines still run in opposite directions... resort (interior) runs clockwise, express (exterior) runs counter-clockwise. The express TTC/MK line never regularly stopped at all the resorts because Polynesian and Floridian don't have platform access to the external track.

Well, there is platform access on the external track, but was it always that way, or when did they add the platforms?

Invero · Oct 22, 2003

Originally posted by Donald_Quackers
Well, there is platform access on the external track, but was it always that way, or when did they add the platforms?

The platforms sole purpose is for emergency exit only.

Donald_Quackers · Oct 22, 2003

I knew it was there for emergency exit only, but I got the impression from Monorail Lime that the other platform wasn't there. I've got a cold right now, so maybe I didn't quite understand.

Swagger · Oct 22, 2003

Yeah the bus may look new...but it still looks like crap in a Disney Resort.

What I would like to see are atleast busses like what TDL has! Beautiful....built only for Disney. Not something I can go 2 miles to ride.

The monorail is a ride itself though.

niteobsrvr · Oct 22, 2003

Originally posted by Swagger
Yeah the bus may look new...but it still looks like crap in a Disney Resort. What I would like to see are atleast busses like what TDL has! Beautiful....built only for Disney. Not something I can go 2 miles to ride.

The monorail is a ride itself though.

Here is a link so you all can see some pics of the TDL busses.

http://www.jtcent.com/disneyland/parades/20ann_crus.html

Invero · Oct 22, 2003

Maybe it's just me, but I think those Dream Cruisers look fugly. *shrug*

Personally, I'd rather see the front end look of a NABI BRT...

niteobsrvr · Oct 22, 2003

Originally posted by Invero
Maybe it's just me, but I think those Dream Cruisers look fugly. *shrug*

Personally, I'd rather see the front end look of a NABI BRT...

They are cool looking on a limited basis but probalby not particularly practical on the scale WDW would need them. ALos can you imagine the cost for repairs in an accident situation?

stitch rocks · Oct 23, 2003

yeahthey are ugly... but it would be nice to get some new busses that are more comfortabel and hold more people... and have better gas mileage too

Invero · Oct 23, 2003

Originally posted by stich rocks
yeahthey are ugly... but it would be nice to get some new busses that are more comfortabel and hold more people... and have better gas mileage too

We did! People like the low-floors because they are much easier to get into, they hold more people (in theory), and have twice the mileage of the older buses.

Joalovar · Oct 23, 2003

Originally posted by Invero
Maybe it's just me, but I think those Dream Cruisers look fugly. *shrug*

Personally, I'd rather see the front end look of a NABI BRT...

I don't like them, they look older :snore:

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