Monorail Expansion Map

[ImSweetPea]

Anyone remeber the old busses.. You have to wait for the color falg bus ... Green .. red ect???

 

[Monorail Lime]

The Disney Resort Cruisers might look like old busses but under the skin they are as modern as anything you'll find at WDW. The primary purpose of these busses is to provide access to the art deco-themed Disney Ambassador Hotel and for that function their themeing couldn't be better.

I don't know if they are as practical as WDW's busses but the Resort Cruisers really aren't an integral part of the TDR transportation system anyway. The monorail easily serves all areas of the compact resort and The Disney Ambassador Hotel and the TDR Official Hotels (also served by the Resort Cruisers) are within easy walking distance of monorail stations. Load capacity isn't an issue with these beauties.

 

[stitch rocks]

Originally posted by Invero
We did! People like the low-floors because they are much easier to get into, they hold more people (in theory), and have twice the mileage of the older buses.

i know they did but the gas milage still sucks... i mean isn't it like 10 miles per gallon?

 

[niteobsrvr]

Originally posted by stich rocks
i know they did but the gas milage still sucks... i mean isn't it like 10 miles per gallon?

That is actually pretty good mileage per gallon for a bus. Take into consideration one of the full-size SUV's doesnt do a whole heck of a lot better than that and they usually only have the driver in them instead of 80 people. A certain large GM vehicle only gets 14 mpg city.

 

[tumbleweed12]

STOP IT

THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!! The monorails and busses will always be the same. I dont care if it was a guys original idea or not!!! IT'll never happen!!! This has been talked about for years and they all talk about the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dont like the trasportation at Disney......Go to Universal. :hammer: Just stop talkin about it and drop it!!!!!!!! Get over it. It'll never happen!

 

[niteobsrvr]

Re: STOP IT

Originally posted by tumbleweed12
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!! The monorails and busses will always be the same. I dont care if it was a guys original idea or not!!! IT'll never happen!!! This has been talked about for years and they all talk about the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dont like the trasportation at Disney......Go to Universal. :hammer: Just stop talkin about it and drop it!!!!!!!! Get over it. It'll never happen!

Doctor, I think we need one more xanax over here.

 

[gdgourou]

Bus are very useful but at WDW a single new Monorail line will be very helpful. For me the best line will circle around Buena Vista Lagoon with one stop on West Side and one in MarketPlace for Downtown Disney and one for Saratoga, old Disney Institute. Then a double-way along Old Key West and Typhoon Lagoon to EPCOT Monorail Station (stop on a second level station if possible). Then a station between Dolphin and Yacht Club, the line continue along Swan, east to Fantasmic!. The next Station will be between Fantasmic and Beauty&Beast Theater, so it desserve the Studios and a pathway to Fantasmic could be build for spectators to exit the show at night without walking all Sunset and Hollywood Blvd. Then a station near Blizzard Beach entrance with a walking way to McDonald's resto.
Finally a round at DAK Entrance with a station. It will cost a lot but less that multi line monorail and for all of us very more simple to understand. What you think about that? I have only a detail of problem, the EPCOT entrance area, could you find some technical solution ?

 

[EvilMortimer]

To do that you would first have to drain various swamps, find the money, and then completely re route monorails through Epcot's Entrance Way.

 

[Marijil]

Originally posted by gdgourou
Bus are very useful but at WDW a single new Monorail line will be very helpful. For me the best line will circle around Buena Vista Lagoon with one stop on West Side and one in MarketPlace for Downtown Disney and one for Saratoga, old Disney Institute. Then a double-way along Old Key West and Typhoon Lagoon to EPCOT Monorail Station (stop on a second level station if possible). Then a station between Dolphin and Yacht Club, the line continue along Swan, east to Fantasmic!. The next Station will be between Fantasmic and Beauty&Beast Theater, so it desserve the Studios and a pathway to Fantasmic could be build for spectators to exit the show at night without walking all Sunset and Hollywood Blvd. Then a station near Blizzard Beach entrance with a walking way to McDonald's resto.
Finally a round at DAK Entrance with a station. It will cost a lot but less that multi line monorail and for all of us very more simple to understand. What you think about that? I have only a detail of problem, the EPCOT entrance area, could you find some technical solution ?

welcome to the boards...your ideas are interesting....pls dont be discouraged by the posts that are about to follow...

 

[MJL]

Monorails are for Deluxe resorts

I think everyone is getting off-base here with the monorail expansion.

I would LOVE to see the monorail expanded as its probably the most magical thing about the MK area of Disney and one of the big reasons I will pay extra to stay at one of these Deluxe resorts.

But expanding the monorails for park to park access doesnt seem like a good idea. This would add how many thousands of people to the monorail transportation system??? Additionally, I dont think this will add any revenue (not that any monorail expansion necessariy would)

I think the best thing to do would be to add the monorail to AK lodge (which would bring it closer to MK, Epcot/MGM and allow them to charge rates similar to Poly/Contemporary). AKLodge would no longer be an outpost and people would probably start booking more there because it rates up there with ANY deluxe resort as far as luxury.

I always viewed the monorail as a deluxe resort perk, not a mass transit system for the entire disney property.

 

[EvilMortimer]

Re: Monorails are for Deluxe resorts

Originally posted by MJL
I always viewed the monorail as a deluxe resort perk, not a mass transit system for the entire disney property.

Well, then I've got news for you, the Monorail is a Transportation System, not some perk. :lol: Almost everyone that visits the Magic Kingdom uses the monorail system. And yes, the monorails do provide park to park access already between Epcot and the Magic Kingdom.

 

[MonorailGreen]

They should expand the system to include at least, Downtown Disney, Animal Kingdom and Disney-MGM Studios. The line should connect with the rest of the monorail system at TTC ONLY though. The current lines should not be tampered with except in the TTC area. I think that TTC needs some major improvements!! I'm sure some of you agree on that. The street layouts through there should be altered for easier access to the Magic Kingdom Resorts and the layout of the WHOLE ticket and monorail area should be changed as well to accomodate the expansion. The parking lot could be enlarged to keep more cars in one spot on property and then TTC can really become the central hub for all the parks. Higher parking prices can be charged to pay for this, Universal is already eight dollars and I don't see any transportation to the front of IOA or the Studios!! The new monorail line should be laid out in a two-way loop pattern like the Seven Seas Lagoon loop but go to Animal Kingdom, maybe even Wide World of Sports, the Studios, then Downtown Disney, and back to TTC with trains going both ways. I don't think that water parks should really be included though because most spend a whole day at Typhoon Lagoon OR Blizzard Beach anyway. Also, the monorail line should go in a path that could accomodate future plans for WDW, new theme parks or complexes. This could cut back on tram costs in the parking lots because more people will hop on a monorail instead of returning to their cars to move from place to place. I think that the Deluxe resorts along the Magic Kingdom line would become even more popular in the future as well. Monorails should be only on the Magic Kingdom line though, that is just my take on the resorts issue. Disney can make it happen and it could even become lucrative for them if they are smart about it. That is my thought on this whole expansion that will probably never happen ANYWAY!! :brick:

 

[MJL]

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Well, then I've got news for you, the Monorail is a Transportation System, not some perk. Almost everyone that visits the Magic Kingdom uses the monorail system. And yes, the monorails do provide park to park access already between Epcot and the Magic Kingdom.
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Everyone that visits the MK uses the monorail line? Where exactly do they take it if they arent staying at one of the resorts nearby? Epcot? What percentage of people actually parkhop daily between Epcot and MK?
Not many, I would bet less than 10% at most.

Under your theory the monorail would be transporting 50,000 people per day (during peak times) EACH WAY, 100k on the monorail in a single day? Therefore, most monorail traffic must be linked to the existing resorts already there. :hammer:

 

[crazygirley]

Um, maybe it's just me, but I don't think a monorail would look quite right in the middle of AKL or CS...just a thought!

 

[debbiedoo]

Yes that would be a grat idea, expect, if they started adding all the luxeries of life, what would our park hoppers cost?!?!?! i would rather live with it like it is.:wave:

 

[EvilMortimer]

Originally posted by MJL
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Well, then I've got news for you, the Monorail is a Transportation System, not some perk. Almost everyone that visits the Magic Kingdom uses the monorail system. And yes, the monorails do provide park to park access already between Epcot and the Magic Kingdom.
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Everyone that visits the MK uses the monorail line? Where exactly do they take it if they arent staying at one of the resorts nearby? Epcot? What percentage of people actually parkhop daily between Epcot and MK?
Not many, I would bet less than 10% at most.

Under your theory the monorail would be transporting 50,000 people per day (during peak times) EACH WAY, 100k on the monorail in a single day? Therefore, most monorail traffic must be linked to the existing resorts already there. :hammer:

Perhaps I need to enlighten you. Yes, the monorail does handle that many people a day. In fact, it's more like 150,000 on an avg. day. There are only two ways to get to the Magic Kingdom from the parking lot, by boat or by monorail. Where have you been?

 

[gdgourou]

yEs few people take the monorail from MK area to EPCOT but with a transversal line from Downtown to DAK the monorail will be a veritable transportation system. Monorail is more ecologic than busses. Are busses' emissions good for animals in DAK park? Think also about the long time project of FOX (florida overlay express train) whith a station on Disney property. Where they would build it? and how to dispatch people more efficiency to theme park than a monorail?
Monorail will be the dorsal spina of WDW resort with, yes its necessary, busses to link all hotels. Monorail will replace the subway use in major cities its very less magic than a monorail. The problem is money. WDW is as large as Paris intra-muros or twice the size of manhattan island, isn't? And what is used in this cities? Subway.
Folks, the monorail is the best thing to link disney theme parks, not hotels. Only when money is available. But to, the word with all the power, allow guest to spend more time and money in the park, a such transportation link is necessary.

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by gdgourou
The problem is money. WDW is as large as Paris intra-muros or twice the size of manhattan island, isn't? And what is used in this cities? Subway.

Perhaps in those cities, a fixed guideway system works with thier specific traffic flow. However, I might remind you that Disney's traffic pattern is VERY different from that of a major metropolis. In our specific system, a fixed guidway system would not be a viable option. We need something that is highly dynamic and very flexible.

Originally posted by gdgourou
But to, the word with all the power, allow guest to spend more time and money in the park, a such transportation link is necessary.

Who's to say that's the case? How do you know that a Monorail will be easier, and quicker than a bus? When you add in stops and transfers, you not only confuse people, but you add precious time to thier commute.

Bottom line - People want quick, direct, non-stop service.

 

[AndyMagic]

Originally posted by Invero
Who's to say that's the case? How do you know that a Monorail will be easier, and quicker than a bus? When you add in stops and transfers, you not only confuse people, but you add precious time to thier commute.

Bottom line - People want quick, direct, non-stop service.

I'm pretty sure people are smart enough to work a basic transportation system. If millions of people, including me, can understand Manhattans subway system (the most convoluted transportation system in the world) I'm pretty sure an extra line of monorail won't confuse too many people. And by your logic, the only form of mass transit in the world would be buses. According to you, fixed guideway systems are so complicated and inneffecient at moving people. If that's the case, then why do so many of these transfer systems exist? WDW is pretty much a city. There are multiple major destinations spread across a large area. Everytime I am on a bus, I always hear someone saying, "I wonder when they will expand the monorail." So clearly it is something people want. Also, on 2 occations in 2002, I was stopped for a poll outside of MGM and asked if I would like to see the monorail extended. So obviously Disney is at least slowly looking into doing something. Sometimes I think people are a little to quick to state their opinions as fact. None of us really know what is going to happen but saying an expansion system will NEVER happen is just silly.

 

[SNS]

You would think that no one would get confused but the sad truth is they would (people often get confused about our current monorail system, which is as simple as possible).