Monorail Expansion Map

CoasterKing

Member
Ohhh, so TRUE !!! No matter what, some people will always be confused. I was standing at a bus stop on my last visit to WDW when a Bus that was clearly marked MAGIC KINGDOM and saw 2(two) count 'em TWO different people ask if the bus went to EPCOT!!:hammer: Hey, wait a minute, maybe I'm confusing stupidity with confusion:lol: ??

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niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by CoasterKing
Ohhh, so TRUE !!! No matter what, some people will always be confused. I was standing at a bus stop on my last visit to WDW when a Bus that was clearly marked MAGIC KINGDOM and saw 2(two) count 'em TWO different people ask if the bus went to EPCOT!!:hammer: Hey, wait a minute, maybe I'm confusing stupidity with confusion:lol: ??

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Here are some more examples.

Guest standing in front of Monorail Station asking where is the Monorail or how do i get to the Magic Kingdom.

Guest in front of Monorail asking where is the ferry boat.

Guest at Ticket and Transportation Center looking for busses to the Disney Resorts after they just rode the Ferry or Monorail over from Magic Kingdom where the busses for resorts are located.

Guest in front of the ALL - Stars waiting for a bus to Animal Kingdom at the appropriate stop Come running up to bus that pulls into Downtown Disney stop with Downtown Disney on its marquee and asks if bus goes to AK.

Guests at Contemporary waiting at bus stop to find out how they get to the Grand FLoridian even though they have probalby rideen the monorail to the Kingdom a couple of times and passed right thru the FLoridian.

Guests at Ticket Center asking how to get to he Polynesian.

I could go on and on but I have forgotten half the things I have been asked. The bottom line is most people in this country have little if any experience with mass transportation. Disney's system is way less confusing than that of a typical large midwestern city. God Help us when fuel becomes so expensive in this country that mass transit becomes a more economical option.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by AndyMagic
And by your logic, the only form of mass transit in the world would be buses. According to you, fixed guideway systems are so complicated and inneffecient at moving people.

Busses are more flexible to meet the changing demands of the population being carried.

Broken down busses affect fewer people than rail system. One train down on the monorail can effectively shut down all trains and affects a few hundred if not a couple thousand people for an hour or more. One bus broken down only effects about 80 and only for the amount of time it takes to get them transfered to another bus. Usually less than 20 minutes.

Monorail is only marginallly less polluting than busses. Somewhere there are fossil fuel buring electric plants providng the power for the monorail too.

Fixed guideway systems exists in cities along routes with a very large percentage of population around them so as to provide an adequate supply of potential riders. In somes cities, they are the most efficient way to get around. In others, they were built in hopes that people would ride them and get off the highway to alleviate congestion. In the latter case, many of them are not necessarily profitable yet and wont be until circumstances force people out of their cars and onto these systems.

Are they inefficient? No, they move people rather quickly on a fixed route. Are they complicated? Depends, getting in your car (or at Disney, your bus) and driving directly to your destination is pretty simple. Getting in your car to drive to the commuter parking lot to board the train to go to downtown to take the bus to your work is a little more complicated if nto time consuming.
 

gdgourou

New Member
Busses are simple for eliminating most of breakdown. With a good conception and coordination monorail or subway moves more people than busses. I don't want a lot of line of monorail only one. Yes a second TTC on EPCOT entrance is perhaps too complex for some but i really think that's simple.
For the electrical problem with all of WDW building roofs some of them could be used for photoelectric generators. NO?
 

CoasterKing

Member
Originally posted by niteobsrvr
Here are some more examples.

I could go on and on but I have forgotten half the things I have been asked. The bottom line is most people in this country have little if any experience with mass transportation. Disney's system is way less confusing than that of a typical large midwestern city. God Help us when fuel becomes so expensive in this country that mass transit becomes a more economical option.

Hey, those examples are great!! :D I, like you, have also forgotten many more examples of "stupidity vs. confusion" when it comes to Disney transportation. I, for one, believe that Disney does as good a job as possible under the circumstances. While I have done my fair share of complaining about wait times and the such around peak times, the bus system is easy to understand and works 9 times out of 10. An expanded Monorail would be great, but it just doesn't seem feasible...at least for now!!

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gdgourou

New Member
An expanded Monorail would be great, but it just doesn't seem feasible...at least for now!!
I'm agree with you , for now.
I know that Bus system at WDW is very useful. But with the expansion of the resort, how many busses , how many different line could be used to transport all guests?
 

Langdonj

Member
Originally posted by niteobsrvr
Here are some more examples.

Guest standing in front of Monorail Station asking where is the Monorail or how do i get to the Magic Kingdom.

Guest in front of Monorail asking where is the ferry boat.

Guest at Ticket and Transportation Center looking for busses to the Disney Resorts after they just rode the Ferry or Monorail over from Magic Kingdom where the busses for resorts are located.

Guest in front of the ALL - Stars waiting for a bus to Animal Kingdom at the appropriate stop Come running up to bus that pulls into Downtown Disney stop with Downtown Disney on its marquee and asks if bus goes to AK.

Guests at Contemporary waiting at bus stop to find out how they get to the Grand FLoridian even though they have probalby rideen the monorail to the Kingdom a couple of times and passed right thru the FLoridian.

Guests at Ticket Center asking how to get to he Polynesian.

I could go on and on but I have forgotten half the things I have been asked. The bottom line is most people in this country have little if any experience with mass transportation. Disney's system is way less confusing than that of a typical large midwestern city. God Help us when fuel becomes so expensive in this country that mass transit becomes a more economical option.

Hey... Were you following me around the last time I was at Disney World?:hammer: :confused: :hammer:
 

CoasterKing

Member
Originally posted by gdgourou
I'm agree with you , for now.
I know that Bus system at WDW is very useful. But with the expansion of the resort, how many busses , how many different line could be used to transport all guests?

Yeah, when Phase 1 of Pop Century opens in December, it is really going to start to get congested!! Then you'll have Phase 2 somewhere down the road...and then Saratoga Springs!! :(

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Invero

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by AndyMagic
I'm pretty sure people are smart enough to work a basic transportation system. If millions of people, including me, can understand Manhattans subway system (the most convoluted transportation system in the world) I'm pretty sure an extra line of monorail won't confuse too many people.

Well, think about it. When you live in a city, you might use that transportation system every day, for YEARS. When people come down to Disney, they're down here possibly for the first time, and only for a week.

Secondly... you would be AMAZED at how what you think is simple, baffles TONS of other people. For example, going from the CR, PR, GF or MK to Epcot. We all know that requires a transfer at the TTC. However, that transfer BAFFLES many. Even though there are signs, and an audible speil... in addition to me telling them how to do it, there are some that have trouble understanding it. That's a simple transfer. Could you imagine what more complex transfers would be like?



Originally posted by AndyMagic
And by your logic, the only form of mass transit in the world would be buses. According to you, fixed guideway systems are so complicated and inneffecient at moving people. If that's the case, then why do so many of these transfer systems exist? WDW is pretty much a city. There are multiple major destinations spread across a large area.

No... that's not what I said. Fixed guideway systems are great in some areas. Disney may be as large as a city, with multiple destinations and such, but our traffic pattern is VERY different than that of a city. Whereas a city can get away with having certain things, there are some things that we at Disney cannot have.

Buses provide the flexibility that Disney REQUIRES. (By the way, if you notice, you will always see buses complimenting any fixed guideway system out there)






Originally posted by AndyMagic
Everytime I am on a bus, I always hear someone saying, "I wonder when they will expand the monorail." So clearly it is something people want.

They want it, because they have a pre-defined image of what it would be like. They think it will be quick, they think they'll get a seat, and they think it will be direct, and take them anywhere they want. What they don't realize is that it won't be any quicker than a bus. In fact, it might take more time. Chances are, it also might not be direct. And you have a better chance of a seat on one of our buses.
 

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