Captain Chaos
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Which would explain the first pictures showing the trams under the monorail beams...
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Monorail Accident
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Which would explain the first pictures showing the trams under the monorail beams...
PhotoDave219
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Thats the only thing that differs from what i saw Lee post. (and i am not reading 34 pages of speculation!)
mickey2008.1
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i am new to this site, maybe a month. I love the monorail. Even a junior pilot from last september. I just dont get all the bs on this site about this and that. nobody knows anything except for who was there. all this speculation and stuff with it doesnt matter. as long as they fix the problem. be thoughtful of what has happened that we all lost a valued cast member!!
KYMouseFan
Member
Prayers go out to the family of the monorail pilot who lost his life. 
Not having read the entire thread, it will be interesting to find out exactly where the collision took place. From the one photo it appears it took place out on the beam away from the TTC, but they obviously got them back to the TTC. So I guess Pink had to push them back to the TTC or they had to tow them back to the TTC via hooking up to the other end of Purple. Or did the force of the collision push it out of the station? I guess we will find out later.
Not having read the entire thread, it will be interesting to find out exactly where the collision took place. From the one photo it appears it took place out on the beam away from the TTC, but they obviously got them back to the TTC. So I guess Pink had to push them back to the TTC or they had to tow them back to the TTC via hooking up to the other end of Purple. Or did the force of the collision push it out of the station? I guess we will find out later.
BadTigger
Active Member
I don't know what your talking about back hatch, being open, but that could have happened once it was back in the station.
And being a former CP, I've witnessed some things, not to bash the entire group of CMs but a good majority just don't care, and I don't totally blame them. They are paid close to minimum wage, are expected to work long hours and have the bare minimum training. I worked in attractions, and even when the smallest non life threatening break down occurred CMs would lose thier minds. Most times instead of fixing a problem or doing something they would wait for a manager to tell them what to do. And most times managers are not as close to the areas as you would think. Bottom line between lack of disaster training and less the stellar work ethics, we should all be surprised bigger issues haven't happened.
all the bs is because all these people have a passion for disney, some maybe employees, exemployees, and just disney fans that want to know that truth. and to talk it out is the best way to cope with something. if people didnt have a passion for disney they wouldnt be on here. gose for anything sports, movies, music, something happens people want to know, look at all the mj fanes, all the billy mayes fans, the qb that was killed yeasterday there fans blog about it.
unkadug
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RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I don't have a lot to contribute here, just some insight on the age of the driver. It seems that it's common practice to have College Program drivers operate monorails. Like any job there comes a risk with inexperience, but the same can be said for a 40 year old with equal training.
I do think dealing in generalizations/stereotypes can be appropriate in some situations, be they race, gender, age or what have you. Others may disagree, but regardless of your view - I don't think it's appropriate to speculate that age is to blame here. If there was legitimate reason to believe that the driver's age had anything to do for the reasons behind the accident then, and only then should it be brought it up.
I do think dealing in generalizations/stereotypes can be appropriate in some situations, be they race, gender, age or what have you. Others may disagree, but regardless of your view - I don't think it's appropriate to speculate that age is to blame here. If there was legitimate reason to believe that the driver's age had anything to do for the reasons behind the accident then, and only then should it be brought it up.
Mansion Butler
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dmagickingdom
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examiner.com also just had to take a story down because they reported some BOGUS info about Howard Stern and he threatened to sue them if they did not remove the info and explain to everyone that they made a HUGE mistake. Obviously they took it down cause they just throw stories out there, accurate or not.
BadTigger
Active Member
Ok so video from 12 hours afterwards? This could have been opened at anytime. **edit** I just watched it again, you can see that there are other open hatches the back hatch on the lead car, and it looks like car 2s hatch is open and is ontop of the rear of the lead car.
DisneyPumpkin
Member
Well said, Dskipper. Disney fans are experiencing many levels of grief today, and discussing it with your Disney brothers and sisters is the best way to cope. Yes, it sometimes leads to speculation and theories, but people need to talk about this. I haven't been through all the posts, but from the ones I've seen everyone has been respectful. So let's give everyone a little slack today and tolerate the theories. The facts will come out soon enough.
i have to agree with you about some cms dont care. but training in safty critical areas are strick i can tell you that, i am trained in safty critical roles. its a pass or fail, if you cant answer important questions then youre out. disney also gose around and dose safty audits on trained cms, they ago around and do like pop verbal questions if you cant answer them then you are pulled right then and there. i can assure you disney dose not play with safty of cms or guests,
BadTigger
Active Member
I know they do lots of safety training, but I also know when it comes time to use that training, most can't. Tests are ok, asking question are ok, but taking something you learned on paper and then doing it 2 different things.
Hoop Raeb
Formerly known as...
A quick search on Facebook shows the person who died. He went to a local Orlando college and was due to graduate in 2010. Sad. Very sad.
Also, I can now see how that if Pink thought the switch to the spur line was open, they thought they were backing up onto the express line. The thing I still don't get is that it seems like the actual incident happened on the parking lot side of the TTC. Why would Pink back that far up? That would be through the platform.
And then the worst question of all, why would they move both trains back to the station?? Any time you have an accident, you try to save everyone that may be injured before doing anything. The movement could do more damage. I know it would be quicker to get to them using the TTC platform but it just seems like a bad idea to move the trains.
I love the monorails. One of my first memories of WDW and still one of my favorite things to do. I still can't believe this happened. Shocking.
Also, I can now see how that if Pink thought the switch to the spur line was open, they thought they were backing up onto the express line. The thing I still don't get is that it seems like the actual incident happened on the parking lot side of the TTC. Why would Pink back that far up? That would be through the platform.
And then the worst question of all, why would they move both trains back to the station?? Any time you have an accident, you try to save everyone that may be injured before doing anything. The movement could do more damage. I know it would be quicker to get to them using the TTC platform but it just seems like a bad idea to move the trains.
I love the monorails. One of my first memories of WDW and still one of my favorite things to do. I still can't believe this happened. Shocking.
dmagickingdom
New Member
My impression is this...instead of the audience control CM worrying about the guy filming, his attention should have been on doing ANYTHING he could do to get that door open. Guests visiting in the park were coming together quicker than the man CM that went to the train knocking on the cab.
The camera would have been the ABSOLUTE last thing I would be worried about while my fellow CM is trapped and could be dead. Hooray to the guests and to the other CM's in Monorails and RC that worked quickly! They weren't worried about the cameras. They were worried about the people.
BadTigger
Active Member
If you look it needs to back up pretty far to clear the switch, and if its moving at 15 mph then hits, I'm sure the driver in pink didn't know what happened and had a little panic before they were able to stop.
Smartiewdw
New Member
After reading all 45 pages of this thing...
I've read all 45 pages of this thread before taking the time to reply, and I know I don't write much...but just a couple of things to consider.
First and formost, clearly everyone here has sympathies for all involved so I'm not going to go into length on that.
Secondly, for everyone that is saying they feel so bad for the death of a CM and their family...Stop being some of the first to criticize his age. As a former CP and seasonal CM it's really infuriating (at least to me) that you're passing immediate judgment that it in any way was his fault, especially when for so long people have been pushing the notion that pink backed into purple (as was stated in the original post) The monorails are on rails and go forward and back, are you going to take away boats from anyone under the age of 25 too? Because Disney's going to have a hard time filling in the the transportation hours if CPs can't do it.
Lastly, this is a news and rumors board...so what's posted here is going to be exactly that, stop complaining because people are trying to put their heads together and come up with ideas of what might have happened. And if you have a question about what might have happened, try doing a search within the thread! or just read it so you can see what other people have asked...doing this we can have some good discussion about what might have happened and give it some good thought.
On a final side note regarding the video that's been banned: I can understand and respect why the moderators don't want it posted, that's fine. But I'm disappointed that only one person had the patience to realize that the person filming it was not necessarily the devil with a camera in a situation. IF I had been there with my parents as I so often am I assure you my mother would've been taping, and you would be seeing me jumping to see what I could do to assist...but there would be taping. Because my mom has Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus there is nothing else she would be able to do! But she could video tape in an effort to be able to assist Disney or the investigation. If something miraculous had happened there you bet everyone would want to see it and be happy for the survivors, because it turned bad we have concerns about people seeing it, that's fine. But again...stop with the judging, especially when you don't know the full situation, we can speculate...but don't judge.
p.s. Lee are you going to be able to expand on your latest developments or is it fair that the most recent speculation regarding the direction of the trains (pink into purple) seems supported and correct?
I've read all 45 pages of this thread before taking the time to reply, and I know I don't write much...but just a couple of things to consider.
First and formost, clearly everyone here has sympathies for all involved so I'm not going to go into length on that.
Secondly, for everyone that is saying they feel so bad for the death of a CM and their family...Stop being some of the first to criticize his age. As a former CP and seasonal CM it's really infuriating (at least to me) that you're passing immediate judgment that it in any way was his fault, especially when for so long people have been pushing the notion that pink backed into purple (as was stated in the original post) The monorails are on rails and go forward and back, are you going to take away boats from anyone under the age of 25 too? Because Disney's going to have a hard time filling in the the transportation hours if CPs can't do it.
Lastly, this is a news and rumors board...so what's posted here is going to be exactly that, stop complaining because people are trying to put their heads together and come up with ideas of what might have happened. And if you have a question about what might have happened, try doing a search within the thread! or just read it so you can see what other people have asked...doing this we can have some good discussion about what might have happened and give it some good thought.
On a final side note regarding the video that's been banned: I can understand and respect why the moderators don't want it posted, that's fine. But I'm disappointed that only one person had the patience to realize that the person filming it was not necessarily the devil with a camera in a situation. IF I had been there with my parents as I so often am I assure you my mother would've been taping, and you would be seeing me jumping to see what I could do to assist...but there would be taping. Because my mom has Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus there is nothing else she would be able to do! But she could video tape in an effort to be able to assist Disney or the investigation. If something miraculous had happened there you bet everyone would want to see it and be happy for the survivors, because it turned bad we have concerns about people seeing it, that's fine. But again...stop with the judging, especially when you don't know the full situation, we can speculate...but don't judge.
p.s. Lee are you going to be able to expand on your latest developments or is it fair that the most recent speculation regarding the direction of the trains (pink into purple) seems supported and correct?
diddy_mouse
Well-Known Member
Such a shocking thing to see today. I actually went on mousebits.com to download some new park music and saw a post regarding an accident with the monorail. So I immediately clicked over to the boards to see what was going on.
My thoughts are with the friends and family of the CM involved. Very, very sad indeed.
My thoughts are with the friends and family of the CM involved. Very, very sad indeed.
im not going to fight but i think there is more people employed by disney that can and would do the right thing then cant or wouldnt. dont cut people short. you would be surprised.