Money for The Mouse

[Mickey is King]

O.k. , so WDW is building more and more on site hotels at what we might call upper moderate to deluxe.

Granted we have POP and the All-Stars.

Does it seem like Disney is going after a more "higher end" guest list so to speak?

What I mean is (I don't have the #'s) it seems like there is alot more high end hotels, even compaired to the moderates. I could be wrong.

If more people stay off-site that don't have the cash (or can 't justify paying it out) , you end up with on site guests that are "better off" so to speak, no?

With them raising pricing again (fact o' life), and the appearance of more than enough high end capacity, the lower side could use a bit more.

I could ramble on about this for a couple more paragraph's but won't so it doesn't get redundant

what do you guy/gals think about the capacity thing? Is it part of an overall plan?

 

[rsoxguy]

I'm afraid that I disagree with you on this. There is a new Value Resort being built near Pop Century, and Disney continues to aim their advertising at middle America.

 

[SOLISIMO]

Well in my opinion they dont just build resorts out of the blue. If the numbers show that more people stay at the more expensive resorts then wouldnt you build them:shrug: Remember every time you call for availability or check online its all documented.

 

[Eyorefan]

I'm afraid that I disagree with you on this. There is a new Value Resort being built near Pop Century, and Disney continues to aim their advertising at middle America.

I agree with this one. Not to mention the fact that the discounts continue. I can't remember the last time we paid full price for our hotel.

 

[SOLISIMO]

I agree with this one. Not to mention the fact that the discounts continue. I can't remember the last time we paid full price for our hotel.

And free dining offers.......

 

[CP_alum08]

I'm afraid that I disagree with you on this. There is a new Value Resort being built near Pop Century, and Disney continues to aim their advertising at middle America.

I agree. With the new Animation resort going in and all the commercials for free dinning, I think WDW is marketing the 'average joe' just as much.

Personally, I think WDW does a good job appealing to all demographics. If you have loads of money you can go and retain the same lifestyle you have at home and if you are on a budget you can still experience the same things, just at a little less luxury. Either way, yes, WDW is expensive, no way around that. Even if you stay off-site its still expensive. But that is why its a treat. Its not something you can do all the time, and when you do go, you realize that it is completely worth whatever time you have to wait to save up.

 

[WDW_Emily]

I'm afraid that I disagree with you on this. There is a new Value Resort being built near Pop Century, and Disney continues to aim their advertising at middle America.

I agree with you. Although Disney is rising prices, They have a lot of resorts that are in the budget for a middle class family. Plus, think of all the offers Disney has Free dining, 20% off resorts on certain days. There is also the DVC which even though the resorts and very nice, they are affordable for many families.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Besides that, I really think Disney's Mod hotels are nothing more than on par with a Holiday Inn... At least the rooms are.

Even Deluxes, while often priced like your 5-star hotel, is more in like with something 3 1/2 star in the "real world".

I guess the point I'm making is... If they were shooting for more "high end" clientele, they would be building more resorts on par with (or better than) the GF.

 

[CaptainWinter]

What I mean is (I don't have the #'s) it seems like there is alot more high end hotels, even compaired to the moderates. I could be wrong.

This piqued my curiosity. The lower-end resorts are much larger than the higher-end ones, so the number of hotels doesn't tell you the whole story.

I collected the numbers from Wikipedia and crunched them. The data is based on number of rooms (or campsites in the case of FW), not number of guests, since that's what Wikipedia provides. Animation is *included* in these numbers, as are Swan and Dolphin.

category, num of rooms, pct of rooms

lux total, 8261, 0.28
dvc total, 3775, 0.13
mod total, 7492, 0.25
val total, 9444, 0.32
campground, 784, 0.03

total number of rooms, 29756

Draw whatever conclusions you like. I'll post the raw data separately for whomever's interested.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

There's more rooms at the 4 (soon to be 5) Value Resorts and 4 Moderate Resorts than at a lot of the Deluxe. I don't think it's a problem I just think they're adapting to what a lot of people want.

If more and more people become DVC members, then you'll see more and more DVC resorts.

 

[CaptainWinter]

raw data: hotel, num rooms, category

source: various wikipedia pages, 2010 aug 6

Animal Kingdom Lodge,1307,lux
Beach Club,583,lux
BoardWalk Inn,378,lux
Contemporary,655,lux
Bay Lake Towers,295,dvc
Grand Floridian,867,lux
Polynesian,847,lux
Wilderness Lodge,729,lux
Yacht Club,630,lux
Caribbean Beach,2112,mod
Coronado Springs,1915,mod
Port Orleans,3056,mod
Pop Century,2880,val
All-Star Movies,1920,val
All-Star Music,1604,val
All-Star Sports,1920,val
Art of Animation,1120,val
FW Camp,784,campground
FW Cabins,409,mod
Old Key West,761,dvc
BoardWalk Villas,583,dvc
Wilderness Villas,136,dvc
Beach Club Villas,282,dvc
Saratoga Springs,1260,dvc
Animal Kingdom villas,458,dvc
Dolphin,1509,lux (3rd party)
Swan,756,lux (3rd party)

 

[C&D]

I'm guessing that the reason they stopped work on the other side of the lake at 'Pop' was because demand did not demonstrate the need to finish these rooms. They cut their losses there and moved on to other accomodation levels elsewhere.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

source: various wikipedia pages, 2010 aug 6

Animal Kingdom Lodge,1307,lux
Beach Club,583,lux
BoardWalk Inn,378,lux
Contemporary,655,lux
Bay Lake Towers,295,dvc
Grand Floridian,867,lux
Polynesian,847,lux
Wilderness Lodge,729,lux
Yacht Club,630,lux
Caribbean Beach,2112,mod
Coronado Springs,1915,mod
Port Orleans,3056,mod
Pop Century,2880,val
All-Star Movies,1920,val
All-Star Music,1604,val
All-Star Sports,1920,val
Art of Animation,1120,val
FW Camp,784,campground
FW Cabins,409,mod
Old Key West,761,dvc
BoardWalk Villas,583,dvc
Wilderness Villas,136,dvc
Beach Club Villas,282,dvc
Saratoga Springs,1260,dvc
Animal Kingdom villas,458,dvc
Dolphin,1509,lux (3rd party)
Swan,756,lux (3rd party)

From what you gave:
9,444 value
7,083 moderate
5,996 deluxe
3,480 DVC

I still stand with my arguement that there's more value and moderate. So no Disney is appealing to everyone, not just the high end.__

 

[marni1971]

Mods and values far outweigh the deluxes. Simple.

DVC is a cash cow. Simple.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Mods and values far outweigh the deluxes. Simple.

DVC is a cash cow. Simple.

Exactly. Disney going to keep making the rooms that are going to make them money, simple.

Off topic: Martin I LOVED your Dinosaur video. It brought a tear to my eye.

Can you do a Captain EO video? I couldn't find 1 up there. My little cousin has become a mj freak and hasn't seen captain eo live. Just YouTube vids and she's constantly watching them lol. She would like to see some history behind it.

Ok back on topic .

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Exactly. Disney going to keep making the rooms that are going to make them money, simple.

Off topic: Martin I LOVED your Dinosaur video. It brought a tear to my eye.

Can you do a Captain EO video? I couldn't find 1 up there. My little cousin has become a mj freak and hasn't seen captain eo live. Just YouTube vids and she's constantly watching them lol. She would like to see some history behind it.

Ok back on topic .

Forgot the magic word, please .

 

[CaptainWinter]

From what you gave:
9,444 value
7,083 moderate
5,996 deluxe
3,480 DVC

These sums all disagree. Deluxe is over 2000 short. See post #9.

Since they're building a large value resort as we speak, it's a fact they're not just courting an elite clientele.

Simultaneously they are appealing to rich and powerful types with the Golden Oak development. It won't accommodate a large number of people, but it is a considerable (disproportionate) amount of space devoted to a small number of guests. Night Kingdom (which I was not in favor of personally) would have also aimed at the upper end.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

These sums all disagree. Deluxe is over 2000 short. See post #9.

Since they're building a large value resort as we speak, it's a fact they're not just courting an elite clientele.

Simultaneously they are appealing to rich and powerful types with the Golden Oak development. It won't accommodate a large number of people, but it is a considerable (disproportionate) amount of space devoted to a small number of guests. Night Kingdom (which I was not in favor of personally) would have also aimed at the upper end.

I wasn't including swan and dolphin since it isn't a Disney ownded hotel.

 

[DVCOwner]

Mods and values far outweigh the deluxes. Simple.

DVC is a cash cow. Simple.

And to add about DVC - they do not build DVC with Disney money but with the money the DVC members pay.

So the only hotel being build by Disney with thier monies right now is on the value end of the scale.

 

[Mickey is King]

I stand corrected.

It is interesting to see all these breakdowns, I love it!

Is there more deulxe hotel buildings compaired to value and or mod.?
no matter what the room count?

I'm not trying to prove any kind of point , just curious.