Gepettotrevor
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thedisneycast said:It better stay open or i'm gonna be ed!
Same here
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Misson Space ?
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Same here
lebeau
Well-Known Member
Yep, no reason to close the ride. Although I totally understand not wanting to ride it or let your kids ride it. And I find it outrageous that anyone put a 4 year old on it in the first place. I would maybe let a stalwart 6 or 7 year old on it. MAYBE. And only if they had a lot of thrill ride experience. But probably not.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
It has already been proven that nothing went wrong in the attraction. Everything operated perfectly. Similarly the doctor already said there is nothing about M: S that would make a "perfectly healthy" boy react to it in that way. There almost certainly was a pre-existing condition unknown to anyone that caused the boy's death, not the attraction. It boggles my mind that there are people in this world that can not see these things even when the facts are right in front of them.
CTXRover
Well-Known Member
Mission:Space should remain open. The incident is extremely unfortunate and I send my heartfelt thoughts out to the family, but until more is known, the media shouldn't jump to conclusions so fast. Many articles or news stories portray the ride as the most intense experience in the world, making it seem the ride is sending people to the hospital left and right, despite the fact 8.6 million people have ridden the ride with no problems and those who have had problems all have had pre-existing medical conditions that are clearly posted as reasons not to ride. A local news station near my parents has already deemed the ride as unsafe, referencing a lawsuit by ETC, the company who helped design the centrifuge, since they are suing for more money after being left out of the "structural" safety tests for the ride two years ago. An interview on MSNBC last night with a pediatrician, who obviously has never been on the ride, was criticizing Disney and the ride for subjecting children to forces that astronauts train for and that there have been no tests on the effect of sending children into space. I know the ride simulates space travel, but that's ridiculous. It is incredibly poor journalism only for its senstionalistic nature.
While some will argue it feels like the most intense experience, most roller coasters subject riders to G-forces in excess of twice that felt on Mission:Space coupled with inversions and whatnot. In fact, less than two years ago, a 34 year old woman died of a heart attack while on the Incredible Hulk coaster at IOA. The ride was reopened shortly thereafter when the ride was deemed working appropriately. Did the ride give her the heart attack? The national media did not jump on that story nearly as quickly, deem the ride as unsafe or overly intense or have folks on capitol hill using it as an example for the need for new government restrictions and guidelines on theme park rides. I presume the woman had risk factors, but a healthy 34 year old woman normally should not experience a heart attack.
I hate to jump the gun myself, but it should be noted that some local reports from the Philly region, where the young child lived, are reporting that the young child was born prematurely and had multiple health problems during his short life. IF that is true, there comes a time when parents need to heed the excessive amount of warnings on a ride like Mission:Space. The warnings are there for a reason. I'm not blaming the parents, because for all I know the child was a healthy young boy.
While some will argue it feels like the most intense experience, most roller coasters subject riders to G-forces in excess of twice that felt on Mission:Space coupled with inversions and whatnot. In fact, less than two years ago, a 34 year old woman died of a heart attack while on the Incredible Hulk coaster at IOA. The ride was reopened shortly thereafter when the ride was deemed working appropriately. Did the ride give her the heart attack? The national media did not jump on that story nearly as quickly, deem the ride as unsafe or overly intense or have folks on capitol hill using it as an example for the need for new government restrictions and guidelines on theme park rides. I presume the woman had risk factors, but a healthy 34 year old woman normally should not experience a heart attack.
I hate to jump the gun myself, but it should be noted that some local reports from the Philly region, where the young child lived, are reporting that the young child was born prematurely and had multiple health problems during his short life. IF that is true, there comes a time when parents need to heed the excessive amount of warnings on a ride like Mission:Space. The warnings are there for a reason. I'm not blaming the parents, because for all I know the child was a healthy young boy.
CaliSurfer182
New Member
Scooter said:
Perhaps this should be what happens any way. As somebody previously mentioned on another thread, just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you should or that it is right for every individual.
Scooter said:
Or perhaps the child was on a ride that he wasn't capable of handling at his own independent maturity level.
Scooter said:
Why should your opinion on safety have to effect everybody else? If you don't want you child to ride it that is fine, but why should others be penalized? Parents (I am one) should have better judgement when it comes to allowing their children to do things. It shouldn't have to take a death/accident for parents to use good judgement skills on whether a ride is appropriate for their individual child or children.
DisneySaint
Well-Known Member
Minimum height will be raised I'm sure.
CaliSurfer182
New Member
I believe that everybody is entitled to their own opinion and or beliefs as long as these said beliefs and or opinions don't infringe on other people.
If you believe something is bad or unsafe then sure voice it to who you care about and abstain from it, but don't force others to follow in step.
If you believe something is bad or unsafe then sure voice it to who you care about and abstain from it, but don't force others to follow in step.
Youvegotafriend
New Member
Should MS be closed down?
Absolutely not! Although my heart goes out to the family-MS is definitely
not a ride for 4 year olds, regardless of the fact he passed the height restriction. I have a 3 year old, and there is no way he is going on that ride
until he is about 10! And by the way, I love MS!
Absolutely not! Although my heart goes out to the family-MS is definitely
not a ride for 4 year olds, regardless of the fact he passed the height restriction. I have a 3 year old, and there is no way he is going on that ride
until he is about 10! And by the way, I love MS!
trdisneyfan
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PirateJ said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the height restriction to 48 or 52 inches to prevent smaller people from riding, just to make some sort of public gesture, but I don't think a healthy 4-year-old is any more susceptible to g-forces than anyone else.
The 2 g's that M:S "pulls" is really not that intense. It just feels that way because A) you're enclosed and b) it's pulling you backwards, not down. There are plenty of things in life that put far more than 2 g's of force on the body - jumping from a small distance (like a chair) would cause you to hit the ground with 3x your own weight. Or slamming on the breaks in a car, that's more than 2 g's. Or ride any large roller coaster (some I'm sure with height restrictions similar to M:S), and you'll experience more than 2 g's at the bottom of the hills.
If only 1 in 8,000,000 people have died because of this ride, it can only be caused by some pre-existing condition - not his height, weight, or age. Because of this, the ride will definitely stay open.
TheDisneyGirl02
New Member
I'm glad you pointed that out. My friend who works at the parks told me that a co-cast member's boyfriend was an EMT on the scene and he was told the boy was premature at birth. I don't know if that had anything else to do with it or not.TAC said:
My personal feeling is that the ride should not be closed down. If you think about it, if the ride malfunctioned, many more people than just one would have been injuried.
Also, I feel very badly for the CM's who were working since it seems to me that the media is trying to blame them for what happened and for not starting CPR immediately. We don't know all of the circumstances, and I"m sure there were many so I would hate for the blame to be placed on the CMs.
I feel very sorry for his family and I'm from Allentown, PA which isn't too far away from where his family is from and there is extensive coverage in my local newspaper www.mcall.com (not sure if there's anything on the web site or not...).
TheDisneyGirl02
ToTBellHop
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While that's true on a roller coaster, where high g's are only reached for a second or two, it's not true on Mission: SPACE, b/c the g's are sustained for a long time. Just like anything else, a child or an older person certainly are more susceptible to getting sick on this ride--notice that most of the 7 people who have reported problems due to this ride (6 of them) were over age 55. The young and old are affected more adversely by just about everything, which is why it would be very dangerous to send a small child or any older adult who is not EXTREMELY healthy into space (NASA certainly filters for this).trdisneyfan said:
Scooter
Well-Known Member
peter11435 said:
No need to be rude...the facts ARE right in froint of me.
The fact is a child DIED on this attraction.Thats the only fact I need to know.
Now I want to know WHY.
If it turns out he had physical problems then so beit..I'll ride the ride again and allow my children to ride it.
Unless you are the Physician who examed the boy, or the one who did the autopsy, your statement "There almost certainly was a pre-existing condition" means nothing to me.
I can't help wondering, that if it were YOUR child who died after riding this attraction, if some of you would feel the same way about Disney keeping this ride open before all the facts were known.
As a father to 3 beautiful girls, their safety is my main concern.
There is NO attraction worth riding where I would gamble on their being hurt or killed.
Once again I will say this. If after all the facts are in, and it turns out that the childs health was the problem, I will allow my kids to ride Mission Space., but not until then.
I do agree with the people here that say 4 years old is not old enough to ride this attraction. I usually don't make such comments but I couldn't get my kids to brush their teeth correctly at that age without adult supervision, let alone let them ride an attraction like this. Their maturity level just isn't high enough.
I also agree that they will raise the height requirement on this attraction to keep the toddlers off of this attraction.
brich
New Member
I keep hearing this "premature" stuff and as far as I know, the only correlation this has is that it may be the cause of current health issues. Unless I misread the reports, I understand that tests will need further time to uncover any health issues that could have related to this child's untimely death. Everybody wants to jump at each tidbit of information and make that the cause. Should M:S be shut down? For good? NO! But maybe until the investigation has truly exhausted any theories that the ride played a significant role. The autopsy results at this time are inconclusive aside from ruling out trauma. What may be learned here is that this ride may have effected this little boy's pre-existing condition and that if they can conclude what this all means, they could take measures to assure this doesn't happen again. It's not about who's to blame. It's about taking the next steps to learn something from this. If there is something about this ride that could effect medical issues associated with children who were born premature, then I want to know. My son was born 3 and half months early. He weighed only a pound and a half at birth. He is 6 now and has been to WDW 5 times now. If there are reasons why my son could be in danger on any particular ride, I would want to know.TheDisneyGirl02 said:
As for car accidents and plane crashes and the such. Yes, we still fly and ride in cars but when an airliner goes down, there is a thorough investigation to understand what happened. When they solve the mystery and can confirm that type of aircraft is not a safety concern, then people fly. When an autopsy still is inconclusive, I find it somewhat confussing as to how one can determine the ride did not contribute to this tragedy. Let's not just pull the covers over this in hopes that it will go away. M:S should be up and running, but as soon as the evidence and true cause of death is discoverd.
Scooter said:
If you cant gamble on safety, how can you let them ride in a car, or on a bus, on a train, or on an aircraft? They are far more dangerous than being on Mission Space with its track record of no incidents in 8.6 million. I know I have asked this before, but I am just trying to understand your thinking.
brich said:
This determination is largely coming from the 20+ years of research that NASA, Disney and ETC have done into GForce effects on humans, and specifically to MS, the fact taht 8.6 million people have ridden without incident. We wont of course know for sure until the results are available.