Mine Ride Construction Update

[wdisney9000]

I thought this thread was Mine Train Updates. Seems to be about everything but . . . Let's stick to the subject or start a new thread OK?

Sure it is. Jump in and join the conversation and discuss what you would like. There are tons of pics and some videos. What do you think about them? With all due respect though, no need for the condescending " Let's stick to the subject or start a new thread" remark. Its silly and your comment was not about updates either, so your as guilty as those your pointing the finger at. I would love to hear your thoughts on the mine train though. Are you excited? Are you visiting soon and planning on riding?

 

[djkidkaz]

Here now and the exterior looks completely done on all sides. Any work left must be on the inside. Even the lights in the queue are on. Too dark for photos, sorry.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wonder if they are using the "mapping" projection on the faces of the dwarves? They could be medium movement animatronics with projected faces.

Sounds to me like they are going to use a projection effect to create the faces. It's possible the insiders (the real ones) didn't know about the effect, and only knew about the physical characters themselves.

The drawings from the D23 Expo show articulation and not projection. Disney's silence on the figures is the best evidence that they are not something special, and were more than likely not built by Walt Disney Imagineering. Great new figures would have made far better DisneyParks Blog posts than the yawn fests they have been posting about the attraction.

 

[alissafalco]

Here now and the exterior looks completely done on all sides. Any work left must be on the inside. Even the lights in the queue are on. Too dark for photos, sorry.

Are all the walls & scaffolding down? Are the trains running?

 

[Fox&Hound]

Can someone explain to me: Is the cottage that they are working on now the final show scene (Snow White dancing with dwarves) going to be accesible only from the ride i.e. your train will ride past it and see the inside? Can you approach the cottage from the outside or is it walled off? All of the concept art (just art I know) made it seem like you could walk up to the cottage from the outside. Or, is the cottage something different altogether and I am just confused. Any clarity someone could offer would really be appreciated. I'm excited for this to open!!!!

 

[Fox&Hound]

These two images of the cottage paint two different concepts:

Here is shows your ride vehicle driving past it from the outside

and here it shows that you can walk up to the cottage.

Like I said, I know it is just concept art so I am not trying to hold Disney to it like it's fact, I jut wasn't sure what the final plans entail. Anyone know???? Thanks!!!!!!

 

[Sped2424]

These two images of the cottage paint two different concepts:View attachment 50130
Here is shows your ride vehicle driving past it from the outside

View attachment 50132

and here it shows that you can walk up to the cottage.

Like I said, I know it is just concept art so I am not trying to hold Disney to it like it's fact, I jut wasn't sure what the final plans entail. Anyone know???? Thanks!!!!!!

Let me clear things up for you, when riding the ride you will pass the back of the cottage which has a back door and a back window that you breeze by. When entering the attraction to queue up you will pass by the cottage however it is non accessible to enter and really just there to tease the finale scene at the end of the ride!

 

[doctornick]

The drawings from the D23 Expo show articulation and not projection. Disney's silence on the figures is the best evidence that they are not something special, and were more than likely not built by Walt Disney Imagineering. Great new figures would have made far better DisneyParks Blog posts than the yawn fests they have been posting about the attraction.

Well, see my previous post. In Disney Files, which is an official Disney new source, they were not "silent" about the AAs and seemed to hype them as something more than "ordinary" AAs from other rides.

I'm not predicting anything, but it does give me some hope that the figures on the 7DMT will be a bit more interesting than previously indicated. I actually think that the fact that Disney has gone out of their way to avoid showing any images of the AAs (e.g. the relatively recent ride through had them either covered or did not reveal show scenes) indicates that they may be trying to surprise/impress us with something new.

 

[Fox&Hound]

Let me clear things up for you, when riding the ride you will pass the back of the cottage which has a back door and a back window that you breeze by. When entering the attraction to queue up you will pass by the cottage however it is non accessible to enter and really just there to tease the finale scene at the end of the ride!

Makes perfect sense- thank you!!!!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well, see my previous post. In Disney Files, which is an official Disney new source, they were not "silent" about the AAs and seemed to hype them as something more than "ordinary" AAs from other rides.

I'm not predicting anything, but it does give me some hope that the figures on the 7DMT will be a bit more interesting than previously indicated. I actually think that the fact that Disney has gone out of their way to avoid showing any images of the AAs (e.g. the relatively recent ride through had them either covered or did not reveal show scenes) indicates that they may be trying to surprise/impress us with something new.

What is Disney's motivation to suddenly completely change course? They showed off the figures for The Little Mermaid, Radiator Springs Racers and Enchanted Tales with Belle while the hype for the last big (I use that term loosely) attraction for three years is a whole lot of fluff and nothingness. What you quoted seemed to be far more about translating characters specifically designed for 2D into physical figures, not anything about the advancement of the figures themselves.

 

[Space Mountain]

Well, interesting. The sensible place for a Snow White AA wouldbe in the cottage scene at the end, which interestingly has not been even hinted at in any teasers. So, it's conceivable that a show scene there could be pretty impressive (but I'm skeptical). We will see soon enough...

I believe that is where it is going to be. I haven't looked at that specific blueprint in awhile so I'm not 100% certain.

 

[kinghenry]

There will only be 3 show scenes.

 

[kap91]

Unlike anything else in our parks? A new sensation we have never had before, and that uniqueness was the best way to tell the story? (what does that even mean) Its for the entire family? He says it as if other attractions are not for the entire family or is that compared to BTMR and SM? A simple answer would have been "SM and BTMR are more high speed attractions, this is more family friendly and the height requirement is lower." If you think these interviews are not COMPLETELY set up your nuts. To have such a polished answer on deck proves that.

What do you expect? Of course all the responses are canned to provide the best impact and spread the message they want sent. It's a disney sponsored social media event not ama on reddit. It's the 2013 way of doing a press release. No company of even moderate size is going to let the people that work for it just say whatever they want about the projects they're working on - especially to a wide audience and especially a company that depends on its brand as much as Disney does.

And btw I'm pretty sure the new sensation and unique descriptors refers to the swinging cars, not that its a family experience. Gotta love how a PR department can turn anything into the next wonderbread.

 

[kap91]

In the most recent Disney Files (the DVC newsletter), they have an article about the 7DMT called 'Drawn' Together and with the tagline "Animators, Imagineers, creating next-generation Audio Animatronics Characters". The article states "Emboldened by the challenge, the team dreamed up a groundbreaking new design that would blend hand-drawn, computer and Audio-Animatronics animation, and then partnered with Walt Disney Animation Studios to help materialize their vision".

Also, Imagineer Dave Bosset is quoted as saying in regards to the 7DMT: "This is a complete integration of animation media into a dimensional figure, and it's like nothing you've seen" and "When you look at the Dwarfs in the attraction, you won't know what you are looking at. They're just alive, and it's jaw-dropping".

I'm curious as to how the final product ends up. The insiders on here don't seem to have been impressed by what they have heard about the ride. I'm cautiously hoping (but not convinced at all) that there is some impressive show scenes that we will be experiencing on the ride that have been kept a tight secret. In particular, I find it interesting that the cottage scene at the end of the ride has been very tightly guarded, so I think that is the best bet for a real visually impressive and immersive scene that would make the ride.

This screams projection mapping / animation-animatronic fusing of some kind or another. And given how much Disney has been hung up on the tech for years it seems a reasonable conclusion to make. Could be a good or a bad thing. The faces of some of the cars in RSR are projection mapped and look fantastic - you'd never know. There's other examples like Mr. Potato Head that work but certainly don't create any believable illusions.

 

[Mawg]

maybe in the cottage there will be no animatronics and it will all be all projection mapping or Holograms to produce the characters, seems like the next step. Get rid of animatronics altogether and make it all smoke and mirrors.

 

[sshindel]

maybe in the cottage there will be no animatronics and it will all be all projection mapping or Holograms to produce the characters, seems like the next step. Get rid of animatronics altogether and make it all smoke and mirrors.

Or all mist and mirrors:

 

[spacemt354]

Well, see my previous post. In Disney Files, which is an official Disney new source, they were not "silent" about the AAs and seemed to hype them as something more than "ordinary" AAs from other rides.

I'm not predicting anything, but it does give me some hope that the figures on the 7DMT will be a bit more interesting than previously indicated. I actually think that the fact that Disney has gone out of their way to avoid showing any images of the AAs (e.g. the relatively recent ride through had them either covered or did not reveal show scenes) indicates that they may be trying to surprise/impress us with something new.

Hopefully you are right.

My guess though, knowing Disney, is that they like to advertise their best assets. Back in 2006, the Yeti (when working) was prominently featured on a Discovery channel documentary on Expedition Everest construction. For Toy Story, it was known in advance that the Mr. Potato Head would be state of the art. And for NFL so far, everything has been hyped out the wazoo before opening day.

While Disney seems to sensationalize their advertisements, it seems odd that so little is known about the cottage scene. When Disney PR gives their usual descriptions for new attractions such as "unique experience, visually stunning, visceral, etc" I try not to set myself up to over-hype my expectations.

Unless Disney decided to completely alter their philosophy for 7DMT, I find it odd that instead of showing us more regarding the AAs and the interior, Disney advertises a partial POV ride-video through dirt and construction to get us "hyped" for the ride.

Again I hope you're right. But hearing relatively nothing aside from "where a million diamonds shine" regarding the description of the interior, and not a lot regarding the cottage, I'm not setting my expectations higher than I would for any other family coaster.

 

[spacemt354]

There will only be 3 show scenes.

What are the show scenes?

 

[MOXOMUMD]

maybe in the cottage there will be no animatronics and it will all be all projection mapping or Holograms to produce the characters, seems like the next step.

If they can do it to Tupac....

 

[kap91]

If they can do it to Tupac....

I honestly hope this is not the case unless they've significantly improved the tech because it just doesn't work that well in person at any kind of close distance. The projection still looks like a flat projection. (See Universal's Disaster! or FJ). They don't look look bad, but you'll never mistake it for something real and three dimensional. And since i doubt since the geniuses at MIT haven't fully cracked the hologram puzzle I doubt Disney has either. Projection mapping onto a figure in just the right way could potentially be the missing link, but it depends entirely on the execution. Lumiere is great but still obviously a projection, the new singing busts at the mansion and the mouths of the Car's characters start to make that distinction dissapear. I'd like not to get my hopes too high though, as its asking an awful lot to expect a breakthrough in animatronics from a ride that has promised no such thing.