Might not see new attractions until 2018-20? Wall Street wants to scale back park investment?

AndyS2992

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I believe Walt Disneyland is a park Disney built in Virginia. I remember Eisner talking about it in the 90s but I've never been.
It was never built and wasn't called Walt Disneyland. It was Disney's America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney's_America

Soarin
Grizzly River Run
California Screamin
Bountiful Valley Farm

These were all attraction designed for the park under different themes and names obviously but were instead incorporated into Disney California Adventure.
 
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alphac2005

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And Florida doesn't? Both resorts have capacity problems that they will ultimately have to address.

Not as far as they are concerned. They have enough places to stuff people in Orlando and keep increasing their revenue from pricing increases and new gimmicks. Reality tells us that there is a huge capacity issue, but not as far as they are concerned. There is plenty of resort room capacity and that's where the money is at for the Florida crew.
 

BryceM

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I'm by no means a marketing tool for Universal. I do love to rides, that is why I go to parks. I'm a little dumbfounded that Disney hasn't built new rides in Animal Kingdom (2006), DHS (2008), Epcot (2005)...that is a long time for parks to not have a new ride to advertise.
What are you talking about? They still advertise Expediton Everest and Soarin' as being "new" with all of the billboards and what not, hahaha.
 

WondersOfLife

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From MiceAge, don't like the sound of this quote...

"Disney is scaling back on their parks investments after going big with over 1 Billion at DCA in recent years, plus two new cruise ships, Aulani, and New Fantasyland. After that much capital expenditure, the Wall Street crowd wants to see a company scale back and earn back some of that investment before they announce more spending. And finally, the MyMagic+ program at WDW has had more hiccups than successes thus far and is still far from a full rollout and thus isn’t ready for prime time and a major public reveal at the Expo"

Tired of not seeing new attractions in Epcot, Animal Kingdom, DHS. Rumors are just rumors until building begins. Wall Street wants to scale back spending...you won't see anything new until 2018-2020. Unreal!
Hope D3 proves the article wrong. So they are just going to show some artwork of a possible attraction get everyone worked up about the possibility of something new...and then do nothing.

Meanwhile universal just builds, those parks are looking better and better.


I'm starting to see the advantage of making Universal trips rather than Disney.. I'd only go to Magic Kingdom. Epcot (future world), HS, and AK can't particularly even compare to Universal right now..
 

CinematicFusion

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What are you talking about? They still advertise Expediton Everest and Soarin' as being "new" with all of the billboards and what not, hahaha.

Yeah...It's so unreal Disney doesn't have a new ride completed at each of those parks as we are speaking, it truly is unreal! Doesn't have to be some new land...just some cool rides.
All we have is talk about what MIGHT come...something we have been talking about since last year at this exact time.

Avatar announced on Sept. 20, 2011...YEAH!!...CAN'T WAIT....ummm....when is it coming? I've just taken a time machine into the future to 2013 and still no sign of AVATAR land being built. Why even bring it up?
Have a feeling if I get into the time machine again and travel to 2015 there will still be no new rides...but Star Wars will be out, so that's cool. I'll let you guys know what I think of the new film. :)

Hope I have egg on my face and Disney throws down the gauntlet with an amazing detailed view of the designs for the parks and they unveil the bulldozer that is going to get the job started next week.
 

SJN1279

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I agree, Disney needs



I agree with you...we have heard rumors now since the start of last Football season, and here we are in the same place we were last year and that is, rumors of possible new attractions to parks in Florida(Parks that haven't gotten love in what seems like 10 years).

How about Disney starts building, and doesn't talk about what they are doing...instead of not doing anything and talking about it.
I'm talking about attractions here, not hotels or shops. The only new ride in Florida is Little Mermaid...Mine Train still isn't finished yet they have been talking about it since 2011.

Epcot...nothing new since 2006? Refurb of Test Track doesn't count...that is expected with rides...keep them running and up to date.
Animal Kingdom...nothing new since 2006? Have been talking about Avatar since 2011...said was to start construction in 2013...Nothing...
DHS...nothing new since 2008? Again talking about rides, not shows or restaurants, or gift shops. Talking about expansion...but it has only been talk. You know they talked about something called Fire Mountain and Bald Mountain once upon a time...nothing.

I expect Disney to make a big splash here..A big splash! If I hear the time isn't ready for it from Disney to show what they have planned. I will just laugh. The time hasn't been ready for the last 7 years for Animal Kingdom, DHS, and Epcot. Will their ever be an appropriate time to build something new at those parks?

We will find out at D3!

Test Track was more than refurb, it was a total rebuild, outside of the track. Star Tours 2 also counts as a new ride. If we are going by your rules, Despicable Me, Disaster, and The Simpsons aren't new rides either.
 

CinematicFusion

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I'm starting to see the advantage of making Universal trips rather than Disney.. I'd only go to Magic Kingdom. Epcot (future world), HS, and AK can't particularly even compare to Universal right now..

They are all great parks. However, if you are like me and can't wait to see the new and exciting rides...then yes, at this point in time Universal is the place to go or at least be planning to hit next year.

1. I have yet to see the world of Harry Potter...and they are expanding it!
2. New Transformers Ride sounds very cool.
3. Haven't seen the new Minion movie, that looks cool.
4. Wow..I haven't seen the Mummy Ride either. That was made in 2004?
5. Simpson Ride is new...is that good?
There is a lot at universal I haven't seen. They have kept a steady pace of new attractions...good for them.

Disney has beautiful parks but if you have seen them, you need something new to pull you to the park. These parks are very very expensive!!!
Magic Kindgom and it's new Fantasy Land once Mine Train finishes will be a great area for a returning family. Very new, very exciting and lot to do for kids under the age of 10. Good Job Disney...Now, how about the other parks...we have been waiting a long long long time...and now you say you want to cut back on park expense??? Unreal!
 

BryceM

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I'm starting to see the advantage of making Universal trips rather than Disney.. I'd only go to Magic Kingdom. Epcot (future world), HS, and AK can't particularly even compare to Universal right now..
I agree about Magic Kingdom and Epcot. Those are the two original WDW parks, and the two that are most worth your money, no matter how many "problems" Future World has at the moment.
 

CinematicFusion

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Test Track was more than refurb, it was a total rebuild, outside of the track. Star Tours 2 also counts as a new ride. If we are going by your rules, Despicable Me, Disaster, and The Simpsons aren't new rides either.

I haven't ridden Despicable Me or Simpsons...how long have they been around? These are just refurbs of older Despicable Me and Simpsons rides? Are they good?

Test track isn't a new ride...it has been there since 1999...this is a refurb/redesign of the same ride concept. Have nothing against that. It is what you are supposed to do to keep old rides relevant. It's the same ride though.

Star Tours is still Star Tours. It's like my computer at home. They just got a brand new monitor, another operating system and graphics card. Yeah, it cost money to do this but it needed to be done because the old Star Tours looked dated. It's what Disney is supposed to do. Have nothing against it.
This also needs to be done with Soarin. Always need to refurbish the rides.

But, refurbished rides aren't going to get me to a park. I live in Texas, I have my choice of many places to go. Honestly if I plan a trip next year to Orlando...it will be because of the new Haryy Potter...then the new fantasy land.
Really no reason to go DHS, Epcot, Animal Kingdom if you have already seen what they offer. Way too expensive.
 

PeterAlt

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From MiceAge, don't like the sound of this quote...

"Disney is scaling back on their parks investments after going big with over 1 Billion at DCA in recent years, plus two new cruise ships, Aulani, and New Fantasyland. After that much capital expenditure, the Wall Street crowd wants to see a company scale back and earn back some of that investment before they announce more spending. And finally, the MyMagic+ program at WDW has had more hiccups than successes thus far and is still far from a full rollout and thus isn’t ready for prime time and a major public reveal at the Expo"

Tired of not seeing new attractions in Epcot, Animal Kingdom, DHS. Rumors are just rumors until building begins. Wall Street wants to scale back spending...you won't see anything new until 2018-2020. Unreal!
Hope D3 proves the article wrong. So they are just going to show some artwork of a possible attraction get everyone worked up about the possibility of something new...and then do nothing.

Meanwhile universal just builds, those parks are looking better and better.
I think it's time for an Out Iger campaign. He is misspending and not spending where he should!
 

Goofyernmost

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Test Track was more than refurb, it was a total rebuild, outside of the track. Star Tours 2 also counts as a new ride. If we are going by your rules, Despicable Me, Disaster, and The Simpsons aren't new rides either.
I don't see how we can even include Test Track in these discussions. If it had been left to Disney to change it, we would still be doing the old ride. That redo was pushed, even insisted upon, by the sponsor, General Motors. They wanted it upgraded and changed to promote Chevrolets and not just the entire GM line. As for Star Tours, no it was an upgrade of an existing ride. Wouldn't it be nice if Disney would make that a M.O. instead of just leaving buildings empty. I know they used the same simulators but what we see was different and in 3D, it was "plused".

Granted, for the most part, Despicable me uses the same simulator set-up from what proceeded it, but it was much improved from an entertainment standpoint. Simpsons, used the same building, but after that there is absolutely nothing about it that I found familiar and I rode 'Back To The Future' many, many times. Simpsons was not an improvement of what was a colossal ride. It felt to me like I was taken to a back room at a Dave & Buster's. Nothing about it, including the ride itself was impressive to me at all. Disaster used the same ending as Earthquake and the same three step show areas, but the first part was completely different and to me, my jaw was dropped through the entire section. I did recognize the second room from the old days, but the show was quite a lot different. Overall, a super PLUS!
 

CinematicFusion

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I think it's time for an Out Iger campaign. He is misspending and not spending where he should!
Iger has done some great things. Buy Marvel and Lucasfilm...can't argue with that. But, for whatever reason, the last 6-8 years for DHS, Epcot, Animal Kindgom has received little love or attention as far as rides.
Not sure why?
Maybe the numbers are so good, they don't need to add additional attractions. Why spend money when you don't need to spend money?

For first time visitors, they are amazing parks with plenty to see. I'm just not a first time visitor anymore and it's hard to spend hard earned money on repeat after repeat viewing.

It's why Disneyland to me is looking more attractive for my family. I have never been to california adventure, my kids have never been to any Disney Park. It will be a new experience for all of us and make it that more enjoyable.
 

Goofyernmost

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I think it's time for an Out Iger campaign. He is misspending and not spending where he should!
Peter, you know that I have defended you a number of times, but, really? Are you by any chance a CEO or Board Chair of a multi-billion dollar entertainment empire? If not, as I am not, I am not in a position to pass that type of judgment. He may not be spending money on what WE want him too, but misspending or misdirecting spending? I would like to see any of our credentials that would allow us to know the answer to those things.

I remember not so long ago, this same statement being made against Eisner. We couldn't wait for Eisner to get tossed out on his rear and have the savior Iger float down from his heavenly perch to save Disney from it's pending implosion. All of a sudden now I hear how...Eisner wasn't all bad, he did a lot of great things for Disney, just kind of lost perspective in later years, is all. Without Frank Wells at his side he just lost it. I don't know, I guess that could be true, but I do know this. We all seem to have a lot of free time to spend on these boards, arm chair quarterbacking the operations of this giant. My feeling is that if ANY of us, and I mean ANY of us have that kind of ability, that is what we would be doing, not playing on discussion boards. At this point, at worst, Iger is only the evil that we know. Sometimes the evil we don't know is way worse.
 

ToTBellHop

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I think its a CEO compensation change campaign. If Iger's salary wasn't paid in stock options and in his personal best interest to manipulate the stock price, we might see more reinvestment in the company.
Agreed. Bob Iger doesn't hate the theme parks as some suggest. That's Jay Rasulo. Demonize him if you must.
 
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PeterAlt

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Peter, you know that I have defended you a number of times, but, really? Are you by any chance a CEO or Board Chair of a multi-billion dollar entertainment empire? If not, as I am not, I am not in a position to pass that type of judgment. He may not be spending money on what WE want him too, but misspending or misdirecting spending? I would like to see any of our credentials that would allow us to know the answer to those things.

I remember not so long ago, this same statement being made against Eisner. We couldn't wait for Eisner to get tossed out on his rear and have the savior Iger float down from his heavenly perch to save Disney from it's pending implosion. All of a sudden now I hear how...Eisner wasn't all bad, he did a lot of great things for Disney, just kind of lost perspective in later years, is all. Without Frank Wells at his side he just lost it. I don't know, I guess that could be true, but I do know this. We all seem to have a lot of free time to spend on these boards, arm chair quarterbacking the operations of this giant. My feeling is that if ANY of us, and I mean ANY of us have that kind of ability, that is what we would be doing, not playing on discussion boards. At this point, at worst, Iger is only the evil that we know. Sometimes the evil we don't know is way worse.
Wow, I wasn't expecting that to be taken so seriously. It was just an off-the-cuff statement saying how I felt for those unqualified few seconds!
 

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