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DHS Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed
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aliceismad
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I don't know who you work with, but I can name multiple comic book stores in my small city (not to mention all the comics you can get digitally now) and I know a bunch of young people who have been to various Comic Cons. It may not be the golden age of comics, but there are new comics being released. They've always been a niche market.
Yep, kids younger than 40 have no clue.
Really?...
Spoilers!!!
Bleed0range
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There are attractions like the HM which hold up so well today despite their age because of the genius art direction. Because of people like Marc Davis. The attraction has character to it and the peppers ghost effect is still pretty impressive.
GMR did not have that character. It didn’t have an identity of its own. It was just passing through some very outdated golden age of Hollywood set pieces. The attraction people seem to have for it here is specifically connected to Disney-MGM and what it was and not what the ride itself actually was.
Even if you did update it, it would take a lot to give it the same level of character and life (afterlife?) of the HM. It would basically have to be a new ride to be relevant and earn its place as the icon of the park.
Instead they decided to take those aspects we love about rides like Pirates or HM and make something more like that. New song, creative art direction, original story... to me, that’s more Disney than anything GMR had.
GMR did not have that character. It didn’t have an identity of its own. It was just passing through some very outdated golden age of Hollywood set pieces. The attraction people seem to have for it here is specifically connected to Disney-MGM and what it was and not what the ride itself actually was.
Even if you did update it, it would take a lot to give it the same level of character and life (afterlife?) of the HM. It would basically have to be a new ride to be relevant and earn its place as the icon of the park.
Instead they decided to take those aspects we love about rides like Pirates or HM and make something more like that. New song, creative art direction, original story... to me, that’s more Disney than anything GMR had.
GMR didn’t try, want or need to be “more Disney” except in execution.
It’s the recent IP mandate that’s done that. And shortsightedness.
I am Timmy
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Young people where I live are still very into comics. My sons are 27 and 24, and they along with their friends all have extensive comic collections. My boys watch every new movie or series that came from a comic - and discuss how closely it resembles the original story. Comics are very much alive and well, and so are new stories being released as comics (Umbrella Academy rocks!). I go to ECCC (Seattle) with them every year, and every year it gets bigger. All these movies inspire young ones to look up the original stuff as well, and obscure characters, too. The market is only getting bigger.
Only a little glimpse into it, but it does seem comic book sales (actual comic books, not digital versions) from 1996 to present have declined. For instance, Diamond Distributors (formally Capital City Distribution) sold approx. 11 million comics to comic book stores in sept of 1996, but that had almost cut in half by Sept of 2017 to approx. 6 million. Marvel saw a decline of 5 million to around 2.5 million in that same time frame.
aliceismad
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What a horrible thing to say. Comics (and graphic novels) are a genre of literature. Do you also look down on people from reading Sci Fi or Danielle Steel? Or adults who play video games or frequent theme parks (filled with characters from children's cartoons)? Comics have immense universes that go far beyond the kiddie cartoons. Actually quite a lot are pretty dark and not really intended for small kids. (Just like the movies aren't exactly rated G.) Many of the comic fans I know are or have been in the military FYI and have also been to war and are supporting their families.
FigmentFan82
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Seems goofyernmost thinks comics are for immature children only and is making pretty broad and uneducated comments about the subject. he is wrong
MaxW
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keep them off the table?
OK, going with US, as I said, and I don't consider preshow AAs as being part of a ride, so I think Rocket is out.
Of your list, the Olaf ones are definitely nice, but I'm pretty sure Disney PR isn't going to be "this ride is just as good as the low budget overlay we did for that 30 year old flume at Epcot."
For having the 6 most attended parks in the country, the amount of modern rides built in the 18 years preceding the current wave was ridiculously small. And RSR is easily the largest ride that Disney has opened in this century in the US. So, would you really think they would not say this ride is even better than that?
I'm stunned Jungle Cruise still exists. I assume it must get huge numbers with new visitors, and the "It's an original Walt ride" crowd. But the truth is, it's horrible. I would love to see the guest satisfaction numbers for it broken down.
Like Shanghai Pirates, Soarin, Midway Mania, FoP, Ratatouille, one, if not both Star Wars rides.....
In the world that is FP+, that statement is VERY wrong.
Casper Gutman
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Shanghai Pirates is a masterful combination of practical sets, AAs, screens, and other sfx. I have no problem with that whatsoever, and hopefully RotR will be in that class.
Soarin’ and (especially) TSMM already seem very dated to me. TSMM, in fact, joins Mission Space as one of the few WDW attractions I wouldn’t be very interested in riding even as a walk on. I am looking forward to Rat because it seems like a cute ride and doesn’t replace anything, but it also seems like a more primitive version of Spidey and Transformers (those who have ridden it can correct me). I don’t see it aging well.
Rich Brownn
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Years ago when people chided me for reading comics as an adult I handed them "Watchmen". Never got picked on again.
It isn't a form of Spidey AT ALL. There is perhaps movement, but it is very tiny. NOt in the same league as the Universal rides. Also, it does employ a very small bit of moving points of convergence (squiching), but since there are three cars at one screen, that can only be minimally done.
I am Timmy
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Yes. My 27 year old is special needs and on disability, so the joys in his life are few and far between. His 24 year old brother enjoys it with him so they have something they can share - and I am a 49 year old woman that actively participates with them. Who cares that adults enjoy the stories and art style of comics? You presume they aren't doing anything else with their lives? They are both in college and doing just fine, thank you.
I am Timmy
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Having said all that, MMRR, being based on a cartoon, will hopefully be the attraction Mickey and Minnie deserve! I miss GMR, but change happens and I really can't wait to see this in person. I was hoping it would be open for our Dec. trip, but that just means I'll have something new to try on our next trip! I saw the video about the ride vehicle being painted in a way that will show up in light and dark places, that should be interesting.
Many, many military personnel are fans of comics. Are you saying the people in the armed services are childish?