Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway SPOILER Thread

Surferboy567

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Do we think the Tornado scene in MMRR pays homage to the tornado scene from Wizard of Oz that we were supposed to get in GMR? Or is it just a coincidence?

I think the one true nod is the great moving ride. Sure, the tornado could be a nod I guess but it’s just a coincidence. A gigantic coincidence yes, but still just a coincidence.

I don’t think I’ve ever used coincidence more in a single sentence.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Because MGM/Turner was STUPID and wouldn't let TDO put in the twister scene before the Oz scene. ***???
Because Oz was dealt with via a separate agreement as opposed to the blanket MGM/UA agreement (there was no Turner back then) - James Bond was another separate IP should they ever have wanted to pursue it.

The issue of a third Oz scene was only figured out after the twister scene was installed and running.
 

Magenta Panther

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As Mickey shifted more into a corporate icon and Donald got more of the good stuff, even Walt was frustrated at how toned down Mickey had become. But as a corporate icon now, it was felt he had be more or less "respectful" .

Yep, very true. Interestingly, the same thing happened to Popeye. After his appearance in Elzie Segar's "Thimble Theater" comic strip, he became very popular - whereupon the editors at the strip's syndicate demanded that he become more civilized, lest he corrupt his young readers. Elzie Segar complied, but he was damn mad about it. In retaliation, he created Poopdeck Pappy, Popeye's father, an unscrupulous, drunken, conniving miscreant, to serve as a release for Segar's frustrations. BTW, if you guys have never read a compilation of "Thimble Theater" strips, give them a try. It's some of the funniest stuff you'll ever read, plus the world-building and high-seas adventure are top-notch. Also BTW, you won't find Bluto in them. He was an invention for the animated cartoons only (and you won't miss him, trust me).

Anyway, getting back to Mickey - one of the reasons I am so delighted with the new Mouse toons is Mickey's return as a CHARACTER. He's allowed to get mad, act out, and display flaws - while still being the good-hearted little guy he's always been. I think that while Walt probably wouldn't like the drawing style, he'd like the new toons' spirit. I have to applaud Disney for taking the chance (and it was a BIG chance) to have him revived with both retro and modern sensibilities. For the most part, I'm happy to say, it's been a triumph.
 

Magenta Panther

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Because Oz was dealt with via a separate agreement as opposed to the blanket MGM/UA agreement (there was no Turner back then) - James Bond was another separate IP should they ever have wanted to pursue it.

The issue of a third Oz scene was only figured out after the twister scene was installed and running.

I wish I could have seen it...was it effective, do you know?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I wish I could have seen it...was it effective, do you know?
Apparently so. It was a projection of the house continuously spinning around in the funnel cloud, set to the witches musical score. The wind machine was used to its full level too. It was certainly running during T&A (where my friend saw it working). The bit I like was you turned the next corner and saw the same house, full size, after it had landed on the wicked witch of the east.
 

Ponderer

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Anyway, getting back to Mickey - one of the reasons I am so delighted with the new Mouse toons is Mickey's return as a CHARACTER. He's allowed to get mad, act out, and display flaws - while still being the good-hearted little guy he's always been. I think that while Walt probably wouldn't like the drawing style, he'd like the new toons' spirit. I have to applaud Disney for taking the chance (and it was a BIG chance) to have him revived with both retro and modern sensibilities. For the most part, I'm happy to say, it's been a triumph.

I feel exactly the same way, and I know more than a few people - including my wife - who finally get the appeal of Mickey, with this great balance of fun and sweetness and charm.

(I've also wondered if he would've appreciated the new style, but I think he was more willing to experiment than people give him credit for. I love that he was able away from strict realism, into the dynamic Mary Blair styling and 50s impressionism.)
 

Surferboy567

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Would cel-shading be difficult? Video games do that in very high resolution real-time all the time now.

So yes, and no. I’d imagine they would projection map the shade onto the AA’s...and unless they don’t have physical bodies (which they do) it wouldn’t be possible to apply a cell shade onto their bodies unless if the AA was made with the cell shade already applied. No need to projection map onto already manufactered AA bodies. We know their faces are projections. But for the characters on the screen it would be easy as making new animation. Their also comes into play the advent of 3 dimensions. The shorts are 2D when you put an animated character into the “real world” it becomes harder to cell shade.
 

JohnD

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Yes the AA's are Seven Dwarfs like. Not advanced figures, but not old school basic either.

How do they compare with the Three Cabelleros in Epcot? I realize those are "old" AAs from Mickey Mouse Revue but they're still better than the screen of them singing at the end.
 

Surferboy567

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How do they compare with the Three Cabelleros in Epcot? I realize those are "old" AAs from Mickey Mouse Revue but they're still better than the screen of them singing at the end.

I think you are thinking about them wrong. Think Frozen and Seven Dwarfs. Advanced AA’s with limited motion but still visually impressive (I would think).

EDIT: Oh and projection faces
 

Parker in NYC

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How do they compare with the Three Cabelleros in Epcot? I realize those are "old" AAs from Mickey Mouse Revue but they're still better than the screen of them singing at the end.

Just a little aside that I had no idea they were from Mickey Mouse Revue until just a few months ago. They're my sentimental favorite AAs at the parks because a) huge Three Caballerros fan, b) Disney history, and c) they just look so good!
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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@wdwmagic do the AA’s and other characters have cell-shading? Kinda interested to see how they would do that in real-time.
It's flash animation done by Mercury Filmworks who also does the animation for Rapunzel's Tangled Adventures.
 

Surferboy567

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It's flash animation done by Mercury Filmworks who also does the animation for Rapunzel's Tangled Adventures.

Oh, interesting. I like that show (in terms of story...the animation is uh ok?) I prefer the Mickey animation way more. I think it’s because I’m used to seeing the Tangled cast in a different style.
 

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