Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[180º]

Without spoiling it, they do a good job of it.

It’s a bit of a nifty setup element, which is why they stuck with a theatre for ToonTown. So I assume that story element will be retained.

Yeah, that’s the funny thing. I could argue Runaway Railway fits better in the Chinese Theater than it might in Toontown. But I’m no imagineer. Can’t wait to see how it translates!

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Yeah, the way they have Runaway Railway in the Chinese theater works pretty good. It's a great part of the attraction and I certainly hope they keep it for our version. If they do not, it would be a HUGE loss for the DL version.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, the way they have Runaway Railway in the Chinese theater works pretty good. It's a great part of the attraction and I certainly hope they keep it for our version. If they do not, it would be a HUGE loss for the DL version.

They've already stated since the beginning that in TT guests will be entering the El Capitoon theater (an homage to the Disney owned El Capitan Theatre) not the Chinese Theater facade and walking around the different displays through Mickey's history. So the whole entrance will be different than what they have at DHS, and I think that is a actually a BIG WIN for the DL version.

Now how the preshow will have guests enter the actual attraction remains to be seen, but I sort of expect that to be similar but different enough to differentiate it from the DHS version.

 

[No Name]

I’ve been on MMRR, but I’m not a fan of getting caught up in letters (but I’d give it a D- or an E+). My main thought is that the premise of the ride is really strong and refreshingly charming, but the execution falls a bit short. The climax scene that completely transforms within the same room seems like more of an Imagineering flex than an appealing storytelling mechanism.

Now how the preshow will have guests enter the actual attraction remains to be seen, but I sort of expect that to be similar but different enough to differentiate it from the DHS version.

I am curious as to why you think that. The reason they are theming it to a theater is so that this aspect can (and will) be exactly the same.

 

[Disney Irish]

I am curious as to why you think that. The reason they are theming it to a theater is so that this aspect can (and will) be exactly the same.

Since in TT the guest is already in the toon world it sort of doesn't make sense to have us jump into the toon world again through the screen. That is why I had said I expect it to be similar but also different enough to differentiate it from the DHS version. I guess if they do end up using the same exact gag of having Goofy crash into the screen so we can reenter the toon world, we can just call it the TT Inception.

 

[No Name]

Since in TT the guest is already in the toon world it sort of doesn't make sense to have us jump into the toon world again through the screen. That is why I had said I expect it to be similar but also different enough to differentiate it from the DHS version. I guess if they do end up using the same exact gag of having Goofy crash into the screen so we can reenter the toon world, we can just call it the TT Inception.

Oh yeah, that’s a very good point. I rescind my previous comment.

 

[mickEblu]

Since in TT the guest is already in the toon world it sort of doesn't make sense to have us jump into the toon world again through the screen. That is why I had said I expect it to be similar but also different enough to differentiate it from the DHS version. I guess if they do end up using the same exact gag of having Goofy crash into the screen so we can reenter the toon world, we can just call it the TT Inception.

You re still transporting to another location though. You d be going from a movie theatre to a train station. Still a very cartoon thing to do.

 

[mlayton144]

I’ve been on MMRR, but I’m not a fan of getting caught up in letters (but I’d give it a D- or an E+). My main thought is that the premise of the ride is really strong and refreshingly charming, but the execution falls a bit short. The climax scene that completely transforms within the same room seems like more of an Imagineering flex than an appealing storytelling mechanism.


I am curious as to why you think that. The reason they are theming it to a theater is so that this aspect can (and will) be exactly the same.

I agree, and having already experiencing it my vote is a solid D. It was fun, but nothing that says god I have to ride again and again. My kids agreed. We actually all thought remys rat adventure was more fun and better executed with similar ride technology

 

[VJ]

MMRR opens with the land, and if all goes well, it will be February.

January, you say? Boy, I can't wait for December!

 

[VJ]

I don’t have kids, but if I did, I wouldn’t allow them to play in those nasty, germ-filled play areas.

honestly, doesn't nasty and germ-filled go for the rest of the park as well? imagine how many hands have touched the lap bar of your space mountain vehicle...

that is, unless the travel channel specials of the early 2000s are correct in that every square inch of the park is deep-cleaned, repainted and rebuilt every night...

 

[mharrington]

I just hope the animatronics from the GMR were saved.

As far as I know, I believe Jane from the Tarzan scene was repurposed as the redheaded pirate for the altered auction scene of Pirates.

 

[Californian Elitist]

honestly, doesn't nasty and germ-filled go for the rest of the park as well? imagine how many hands have touched the lap bar of your space mountain vehicle...

that is, unless the travel channel specials of the early 2000s are correct in that every square inch of the park is deep-cleaned, repainted and rebuilt every night...

True, but I’m especially uncomfortable with small, concentrated play areas with dozens of children touching, sneezing, and coughing on each other for 15+ minutes.

 

[VJ]

I still can’t believe that Avengers Campus makes me miss Bugs Land. I mean we knew ITTBAB was great but I never really thought I’d look back so fondly at the land. In actuality, it was done and themed really well in that tiny bit of space and served it’s purpose.

aaaaaand this is how donald's boat will become the greatest imagineering feat since indiana jones

 

[mickEblu]

aaaaaand this is how donald's boat will become the greatest imagineering feat since indiana jones

Riiiiiight

 

[Disney Irish]

You re still transporting to another location though. You d be going from a movie theatre to a train station. Still a very cartoon thing to do.

The transition is not the issue, its the walking effectively into the screen to enter the cartoon short itself that is the issue. In DHS it works because you're going from the "real world" into the "toon world" to be part of the short. At TT where you're already in the toon world that same exact transition of "entering the short" doesn't quite work.

Now will it be the end of the world if they keep the same gag, no. Like I said we can just call it the TT Inception gag.

Besides at one point I thought you were all against this same transition being used in TT because of these same points. I had actually agreed with you, so don't start disagreeing now just because I'm agreeing with you.

 

[mickEblu]

The transition is not the issue, its the walking effectively into the screen to enter the cartoon short itself that is the issue. In DHS is works because you're going from the "real world" into the "toon world" to be part of the short. At TT where you're already in the toon world that same exact transition of "entering the short" doesn't quite work.

Now will it be the end of the world if they keep the same gag, no. Like I said we can just call it the TT Inception gag.

Besides at one point I thought you were all against this same transition being used because of these same points. I had actually agreed with you, so don't start disagreeing now just because I'm agreeing with you.

Lol.

Can you explain what you mean by the inception thing? I haven’t seen the movie since it was out in theaters. That we re in some sort of dream?

I was never against the transition being used. I just always felt (and still do) that the transition works better at DHS obviously. But I maintain that it still works in Toontown. You just lose the element of transitioning to the Toon World from the Human world as that happens when we walk under the bridge at Toontown. In other words, entering a portal in a cartoon to jump from one location to another is still interesting enough on its own without the whole Human world to Toon World thing. This is an opinion I created way back when in response to people saying the same transition at DHS wouldn’t work at Toontown.

I would have preferred MMRR at DCA but it may be better for the resort overall that it went into Toontown. That remains to be seen though.

 

[Disney Irish]

I was never against the transition being used. I just always felt (and still do) that the transition works better at DHS obviously. But I maintain that it still works in Toontown. You just lose the element of transitioning to the Toon World from the Human world as that happens when we walk under the bridge at Toontown. In other words, entering a portal in a cartoon to jump from one location to another is still interesting enough on its own without the whole Human world to Toon World thing. This is an opinion I created way back when in response to people saying the same transition at DHS wouldn’t work at Toontown.

Now entering a different kind of "portal" is a better way in TT to transition than having the same "Goofy crashes and blows a hole in the screen" gag used at DHS. This is what I meant by similar but different enough to differentiate from DHS.

I would have preferred MMRR at DCA but it may be better for the resort overall that it went into Toontown. That remains to be seen though.

For the theming I understand why they put it in TT, its "Mickey's land". But from the overall resort balance I too would have preferred DCA.

Can you explain what you mean by the inception thing? I haven’t seen the movie since it was out in theaters. That we re in some sort of dream?

In Inception you go into a persons subconscious through a shared dream. In order to go deeper you have to enter a dream within a dream. So by having the same gag being used, we'd be reentering the toon world via a short played within the toon world, ie a TT Inception.

Its a classic movie, you should watch it again.

 

[mickEblu]

Now entering a different kind of "portal" is a better way in TT to transition than having the same "Goofy crashes and blows a hole in the screen" gag used at DHS. This is what I meant by similar but different enough to differentiate from DHS.


For the theming I understand why they put it in TT, its "Mickey's land". But from the overall resort balance I too would have preferred DCA.


In Inception you go into a persons subconscious through a shared dream. In order to go deeper you have to enter a dream within a dream. So by having the same gag being used, we'd be reentering the toon world via a short played within the toon world, ie a TT Inception.

Its a classic movie, you should watch it again.

Hahah maybe this is why I didn’t like Inception and much preferred Shutter Island. Are we really reentering the Toon world though? We never left. We re just going to another location within the Toon world.

So do you think they re going to differentiate the pre show? Seems to me that they picked a theatre as the facade because they re keeping the same pre show.

In reality is the transition that different? The act of going through the screen is what stands out. It’s not that you look back at the real world walls of the Chinese theatre as you re stepping into the lightly (but effectively) themed cartoon train station. You can't be two places at once. The portal aspect of the screen is what’s interesting. The human to toon world thing just makes it a little richer and adds more context.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Are there really any rules in the toon world?

I think they can keep the pre-show pretty much as is, and it doesn’t need a whole lot of thought to justify it.

 

[Disney Irish]

Hahah maybe this is why I didn’t like Inception and much preferred Shutter Island. Are we really reentering the Toon world though? We never left. We re just going to another location within the Toon world.

Maybe "reenter" is the wrong word. The whole point of the gag is that we're leaving the real world and entering the toon world to be part of the short. To use it exactly the same in TT would be weird. Why would we need to enter the screen to enter the toon world to be part of the short when we're already in toon world. This is why the Inception analogy works, because using the same exact screen transition gag we're going into the toon world inside the short within the toon world, ie its very "Inception".

So do you think they re going to differentiate the pre show? Seems to me that they picked a theatre as the facade because they re keeping the same pre show.

I hope so, they are doing enough to differentiate the rest of it to make it different than DHS, why not the preshow too.

In reality is the transition that different? The act of going through the screen is what stands out. It’s not that you look back at the real world of the Chinese theatre as you re stepping into the lightly (but effectively) themed cartoon train station. You can't be two places at once. The portal aspect of the screen is what’s interesting. The human to room thing just makes it a little richer and adds more context.

Again will it be the end of the world if they use the same gag of going into the screen to go into the short, no. But I do hope they do something different for the preshow.