Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

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This entire argument in favor of virtual queue is disingenuous. It would be one thing if you could actually and reliably get a boarding group so long as you were ready to go at 7am/1pm. The reality is that the system effectively creates a lottery when all of the passes are taken in less than a second, with many potential spots going to guests who pay up. It's a poor guest experience and a bad look, no matter how you slice it. (It's also one that prioritizes annual passholders and frequent visitors who understand how to game the system.) Let people queue.

 

[Californian Elitist]

$50 of my $120, not $120 plus $50. Huge difference between those two.

I get the impression that everybody defending VQ and LL does not understand the rarity to which some people go to Disneyland.

What folks can’t understand is that some of us would rather just wait in lines after spending the money we’ve ponied up for admission than spend even more money on top of admission to ride certain rides in a shorter time.

Not everyone who goes to Disneyland is in a rush to get things done. What gets done gets done and that’s it.

 

[el_super]

I get the impression that everybody defending VQ and LL does not understand the rarity to which some people go to Disneyland.

I am aware and I have been in that situation myself. Traveled around the world to all the parks only to find out a ride was closed or unavailable. It happens.

And again: VQ isn't all that different from the situation before. Imagine your once in a lifetime trip to Disneyland becomes a choice between waiting 3 to 5 hours for Indy (and still not being guarantees to ride) or being able to enjoy Pirates or Mansion or Splash or Captain EO or Star Tours. Time in line is still time taken away from other things.

At least with VQ they can tell me right away whether I get to ride or not without having to dedicate time away from other things.

 

[celluloid]

This entire argument in favor of virtual queue is disingenuous. It would be one thing if you could actually and reliably get a boarding group so long as you were ready to go at 7am/1pm. The reality is that the system effectively creates a lottery when all of the passes are taken in less than a second, with many potential spots going to guests who pay up. It's a poor guest experience and a bad look, no matter how you slice it. (It's also one that prioritizes annual passholders and frequent visitors who understand how to game the system.) Let people queue.

Exactly and well said. And all the people who did not win are elsewhere in the park, creating longer lines at other queues.

 

[celluloid]

I am aware and I have been in that situation myself. Traveled around the world to all the parks only to find out a ride was closed or unavailable. It happens.

And again: VQ isn't all that different from the situation before. Imagine your once in a lifetime trip to Disneyland becomes a choice between waiting 3 to 5 hours for Indy (and still not being guarantees to ride) or being able to enjoy Pirates or Mansion or Splash or Captain EO or Star Tours. Time in line is still time taken away from other things.

At least with VQ they can tell me right away whether I get to ride or not without having to dedicate time away from other things.

You and everyone else who is waiting on theirs, in front of you in line for POTC, Splash, Indy Quick Service Food...etc...

You waited the same amount in most cases, you just divided it between rides, food and drink. Some that would not even have had a wait otherwise.

VQ was created to benefit Disney financially, not primarily out of good will to the guest.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think it is funny that you think any ride opens with a four hour wait in the morning very frequently. They are not all that big of draws.

They are not all Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's.

Cosmic Rewind is Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's. Runway Railway in its first week of operations is Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's. Tron, for a period of time, will be Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's.

It would be one thing if you could actually and reliably get a boarding group so long as you were ready to go at 7am/1pm.

Outside of the first week or two, you absolutely can.

The reality is that the system effectively creates a lottery when all of the passes are taken in less than a second

That is not correct. I rode Cosmic Rewind three times in three days and didn't pay a penny, including one morning when I was on the monorail and disconnected from the wifi at the 7am drop and still got an early afternoon boarding time.

with many potential spots going to guests who pay up.

Very few people (as a percentage) "pay up."

 

[RobWDW1971]

Minnie is a cartoon character, who has broken into song and is not paying attention to anything. She then does a dance spin and accidentally kicks Pluto into the trunk. It’s not insidious or purposeful.

It’s humour. It’s harmless. It’s a mistake. It’s perfectly in line (in my opinion) with a cartoon world, and the slapstick nature of the newer Mickey cartoons.

You may not enjoy the style, and that’s fine. But it’s a particularly huge leap to go from what actually happens in the pre-show… to animal abuse.

You should watch the one where Mickey has abandoned Pluto in the jungle backyard to fend for himself…

Uh, sure why not.

Jessica Rabbit now needs to be covered in a trench coat and dogs are kicked for a chuckle. Disney has become a curious company.

And your explanation of why Goofy waves to a blank wall when Mickie and Minnie are on the other side?

Let me guess, Goofy is a cartoon character, who as part of his antics likes to wave in the opposite direction of his friends as a prank. It’s not insidious or purposeful.

Good news is though they have solved the issue with the burnt out neon letters!

 

[celluloid]

Cosmic Rewind is Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's.

This is not true for many reasons. But mostly the obvious that it did not even boost EPCOT's attendance above Universal's and the demand has not been to where it would be a four hour wait, especially in the morning, which is what my post said and what you implied guests arriving at the gates at 7 am waiting for opening would encounter.

What you have instead, is people willing to play around in other rides and backtrack until their ride time is.


Its not the same. Guardians would not have a four hour wait on a typical operating day. It does not even have the weather contigencies of Hagrids or the lower height requirement and non-coater riding guests of the Galaxy's Edge Attraction.

Don't lie to prove a point.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is not true for many reasons. But mostly the obvious that it did not even boost EPCOT's attendance and the demand has not been to where it would be a four hour wait.

What you have instead, is people willing to play around in other rides and backtrack until their ride time is.


Its not the same. Guardians would not have a four hour wait on a typical operating day. It does not even have the weather contigencies of Hagrids or the lower height requirement and non-coater riding guests of the Galaxy's Edge Attraction.

Don't lie to prove a point.

Cosmic Rewind has a separate problem in that it doesn't have enough physical queue to begin with, unless there's some switchbacks hidden somewhere I don't see.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Uh, sure why not.

Jessica Rabbit now needs to be covered in a trench coat and dogs are kicked for a chuckle. Disney has become a curious company.

And your explanation of why Goofy waves to a blank wall when Mickie and Minnie are on the other side?

Let me guess, Goofy is a cartoon character, who as part of his antics likes to wave in the opposite direction of his friends as a prank. It’s not insidious or purposeful.

Good news is though they have solved the issue with the burnt out neon letters!

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You are clearly not interesting in good faith discussion, so I do not know why I engaged.

 

[celluloid]

Cosmic Rewind has a separate problem in that it doesn't have enough physical queue to begin with, unless there's some switchbacks hidden somewhere I don't see.

Disney's crappy planning to potentially have people in the sun for a bit is not the same as demanding a four hour wait.

Your words are Guardians IS Hagrids and Galaxy's Edge. It is a fun ride and new, but that is laughable. The demand has not been to that level to where you arrive with a four hour wait worth of people. You know this is not true as it is not even typically four hours until your morning boarding group is called. And that is with walk time and calling new boarding groups.

You just don't have any facts for your claims.

 

[Consumer]

How is it different? You say in one scenario the ride is worth $50 but not worth adding an additional $50 to the admission price? That's doesn't add up.

I don't know how you're allowed on this website. I've never once seen a logical comment from you. Bye.

 

[mickEblu]

They don’t have the money to get the neon letters right or fix the direction Goofy is looking but they ll find 4 billion dollars to throw away on Disney +. I dunno, maybe it would be better if they just sold off the parks.

 

[el_super]

Exactly and well said. And all the people who did not win are elsewhere in the park, creating longer lines at other queues.

I've been assured this is never the case.

 

[celluloid]

I've been assured this is never the case.

Sucks to be lied to.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This entire argument in favor of virtual queue is disingenuous. It would be one thing if you could actually and reliably get a boarding group so long as you were ready to go at 7am/1pm. The reality is that the system effectively creates a lottery when all of the passes are taken in less than a second, with many potential spots going to guests who pay up. It's a poor guest experience and a bad look, no matter how you slice it. (It's also one that prioritizes annual passholders and frequent visitors who understand how to game the system.) Let people queue.

This is why a true lottery would be a better system. Give people the luxury to sign up over a longer period of time and then randomly disperse the passes at those two times. Part of the problem is this whole game of having to do things just right at a very specific time and hoping you don’t get bogged down by a number of variables you don’t control. If it’s going to feel random and rather effectively be random, just remove the stress and make it random.

 

[celluloid]

This is why a true lottery would be a better system. Give people the luxury to sign up over a longer period of time and then randomly disperse the passes at those two times. Part of the problem is this whole game of having to do things just right at a very specific time and hoping you don’t get bogged down by a number of variables you don’t control. If it’s going to feel random and rather effectively be random, just remove the stress and make it random.

It already a bit of a lottery anyway. Just in groups of morning and afternoon.

If I hit the button at the same time as someone else, like within a human ability millisecond, I may have to wait until 12 to ride but that other person(and thousands of others form 9 to 11:59) is going to be in the earlier ride times.

It is not outrageous to be the type of person who would rather get there at 9am, walk briskly but safely to the entrance and still be off the ride by 10am.(and in some cases, very much before)

I don't get why people are so volatile against the thought.

 

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Cosmic Rewind is Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's. Runway Railway in its first week of operations is Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's. Tron, for a period of time, will be Galaxy's Edge or Hagrid's.


Outside of the first week or two, you absolutely can.


That is not correct. I rode Cosmic Rewind three times in three days and didn't pay a penny, including one morning when I was on the monorail and disconnected from the wifi at the 7am drop and still got an early afternoon boarding time.


Very few people (as a percentage) "pay up."

Your experience does not reflect the vast majority of guests, both "hardcore" fans and not, who have struggled to get free boarding groups this past week. You realize that we have hard data supporting this, right?

If boarding groups do become easier to come by in the coming weeks, I suspect it will be because the park reallocates how many spots are reserved for Lightning Lane guests, not because it's become substantially easier.

The reality is you prioritize removing guest agency in favor of an arcane system that primarily benefits Disney and is demonstrably anti-guest in most situations. You are clearly not going to be swayed on these points, so I see no reason to continue the discussion.

 

[el_super]

I don't get why people are so volatile against the thought.

Because that scenario was not typical. It's not any different than saying VQ is great because some people are able to get low boarding group numbers without any problems.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Cosmic Rewind has a separate problem in that it doesn't have enough physical queue to begin with, unless there's some switchbacks hidden somewhere I don't see.

Which is a direct result of FastPass+.