Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

J4546

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I think Toontown, TSI and Redwood Creek Challenge Trail are enough. And I say that as someone with a 2 year old and 6 year old. Really the whole park should be a place for them to burn energy but God forbid you put your 2 year old down with todays crowds.
I meant just overall, not specifically ca. But yeah I think with this new tt, there are enough in CA
 

PiratesMansion

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I think most people are capable of recognizing that it's disappointing when something get downgraded, even if the thing itself was never sacred.

Cosidering that all of two people in this thread have expressed disappointment in the relegation of Donald's Boat to essentially an oversized prop, I think your reaction to that might be more mystifying.
I guess I just don't see it as either surprising or worthy of having a sad over it. Disney's clearly been moving in this direction for some time (the dismantling of interactive and/or active play areas), yet people are surprised. To me it's straightforward what has been and what will continue to happen in this area. If I had children or was a child, perhaps I would feel differently. As neither is true for me, I am indifferent. Of course, YMMV.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I guess I just don't see it as either surprising or worthy of having a sad over it. Disney's clearly been moving in this direction for some time (the dismantling of interactive and/or active play areas), yet people are surprised. To me it's straightforward what has been and what will continue to happen in this area. If I had children or was a child, perhaps I would feel differently. As neither is true for me, I am indifferent. Of course, YMMV.
You're sure digging into it for someone who claims to be indifferent. I can't imagine why someone else's disappointment would matter if you really felt that way.
 

PiratesMansion

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You're sure digging into it for someone who claims to be indifferent. I can't imagine why someone else's disappointment would matter if you really felt that way.
I'm just not sure why you care so much about my posts in this topic? I don't feel like I've posted anything egregious, and I don't particularly care if you or anyone else agrees with them or not.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I'm just not sure why you care so much about my posts in this topic? I don't feel like I've posted anything egregious, and I don't particularly care if you or anyone else agrees with them or not.

Because these were literally the only comments in this thread expressing any dissent about the change to Donald's boat:

This "upgrade" to Toontown feels like the company just giving us less and trying to sell it as an improvement. We took out two fountains and replaced it with one, but it is interactive! We sealed up Donald's Boat and paved over the lagoon, but now is sprays tiny streams of water outside of it!

I just find it disappointing that Donald's Boat is no longer physically accessible. It's not like it was ever that great to begin with, but now it's just a prop. It feels like Donald's presence in the land has been diminished.

And yet somehow your response to that was this:

Also mystified by the newfound sanctity of Donald's Boat. It...was never exactly Pirates of the Caribbean on the best day of its existence, if we're being honest. It was a water play area for children with a character attached to it. In stark naked terms, that's all it is or ever was.

Though I must say, I eagerly await the creation of the newest conspiracy theory thread about how Donald's Boat was actually the greatest attraction of the nineties and that modern Disney is just too fearful to allow it to blossom into its true, untutored state of brilliance.

Who claimed sanctity? Who claimed brilliance? Who claimed it was "the greatest attraction of the nineties"? Nobody - You're just totally misrepresenting some people's reasonable, mild annoyance at a downgraded experience, choosing for no good reason to frame it like people are clutching their pearls.

There's plenty to complain about on these boards without fully making things up. Why invent the drama?
 

PiratesMansion

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Because these were literally the only comments in this thread expressing any dissent about the change to Donald's boat:





And yet somehow your response to that was this:



Who claimed sanctity? Who claimed brilliance? Who claimed it was "the greatest attraction of the nineties"? Nobody - You're just totally misrepresenting some people's reasonable, mild annoyance at a downgraded experience, choosing for no good reason to frame it like people are clutching their pearls.

There's plenty to complain about on these boards without fully making things up. Why invent the drama?
You say that as if this is the only thread where people have been bringing up Toontown. In addition to this thread, there's also the actual Toontown thread, the D23 thread, the miscellaneous thought thread, and other instances where it's been brought up. You may have noticed that people tend to talk about the same things in multiple threads around here.

I've seen plenty of hand wringing on Toontown in general and Donald's Boat in particular across threads to feel fully justified making the comments I made. I'm not going to apologize for or recant those views because I stand by them. You're free to disagree with me but I don't understand the point you're trying to make or the intensity with which you are digging in here (or claiming that I'm digging in here, or whatever the case may be).
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Tom Sawyer Island used to be that. Is it still? Our parents would take us there first to scrub off energy before we'd do the rest of the park.

TSI is kind of neutered, and takes the extra work of riding the raft. I haven't been over in awhile, but I'm not even sure the caves have reopened post covid (would be happy to hear they have!). With so much of the island closed off or removed, there's just not much there.
 

mickEblu

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You say that as if this is the only thread where people have been bringing up Toontown. In addition to this thread, there's also the actual Toontown thread, the D23 thread, the miscellaneous thought thread, and other instances where it's been brought up. You may have noticed that people tend to talk about the same things in multiple threads around here.

I've seen plenty of hand wringing on Toontown in general and Donald's Boat in particular across threads to feel fully justified making the comments I made. I'm not going to apologize for or recant those views because I stand by them. You're free to disagree with me but I don't understand the point you're trying to make or the intensity with which you are digging in here (or claiming that I'm digging in here, or whatever the case may be).

Oh ok makes much more sense now haha. Assumed your comment was in direct response to those comments that Grudge Holder quoted.
 

Californian Elitist

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Oh come on now, we do need to allow our kids to play, and get germs on them. It helps!

(Not that I’m ever having germy kids to begin with 😂)
I remember being at the mall sometime in 2021 and walked past one of those play areas. I watched children sneeze, spit, cough, and drool over the set pieces and I was disgusted lol.

I got sick and had to go to the hospital during my first week of working at Disneyland. Kids are sweet, but they’re nasty and full of germs, especially the very young ones who don’t have a strong grasp on the importance of cleanliness and protecting themselves and others from getting sick. If I can minimize the amount of germs any kids I may have in the future come into contact with, I’m definitely going to do that!
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I think you’re being far-fetched here.
The person I was replying to, who said they are indifferent about the situation, said that after inventing claims of the "newfound sanctity of Donald's Boat", said that they await conspiracy theories about its greatness, and that others will suggest Disney's "too fearful to allow it to blossom into its true, untutored state of brilliance" . . . And all I said was that reaction was outsized, which feels pretty objectively true.

I agree someone's being far-fetched here, but it's not me.
 
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PiratesMansion

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The person who said they are indifferent about the situation said that after inventing claims of the "newfound sanctity of Donald's Boat", said that they await conspiracy theories about its greatness, and that others will suggest Disney's "too fearful to allow it to blossom into its true, untutored state of brilliance" . . . And all I said was that reaction was outsized, which feels pretty objectively true.

I agree someone's being far-fetched here, but it's not me.
(Waves) Hi! That's me! I have a name and everything!

It was a joke, based on the fact that we quite literally had/have someone from the WDW side of the boards who has never been to Disneyland but came over here more than two years ago and spammed (and continues to spam) countless threads with his own Splash Mountain conspiracy theories and presumptions about the park at every opportunity. Said person is, arguably, A Little Too Into Splash Mountain.

Meanwhile, as stated above, people posted nonstop about Toontown this or Donald's Boat that in multiple threads. To me it got frequent, tiresome, and vaguely reminiscent of the small handful of people who were A Little Too Into Splash Mountain. I made my post.

You, lacking context, didn't get the joke. You clutched your pearls (your words first, remember), jumped to conclusions, and decided to make this a crusade while acting like I'm the one with the problem. And in the name of what? For whom? I can't begin to say.
 

Californian Elitist

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The person I was replying to, who said they are indifferent about the situation, said that after inventing claims of the "newfound sanctity of Donald's Boat", said that they await conspiracy theories about its greatness, and that others will suggest Disney's "too fearful to allow it to blossom into its true, untutored state of brilliance" . . . And all I said was that reaction was outsized, which feels pretty objectively true.

I agree someone's being far-fetched here, but it's not me.
No, it’s you.

That post stems from the surprised feeling about how others (more than two people, BTW, one of them having never even visited DL) have been expressing their disapproval about the interactivity component being removed from Donald’s Boat. I’m genuinely surprised, too, hence why I asked if folks were actually participating in climbing into the Boat and playing with everything inside. Given the very “kiddie-ness” of climbing onto a jungle gym or into a kiddie play area, which is essentially what Donald’s Boat, Goofy’s House, and Chip and Dale’s Treehouse are, or were, I think it’s perfectly fair to be a bit puzzled as to why grown adults are so upset about this being removed, unless they were actually playing in them. And this topic has come up many times over the past couple of weeks, both here and on social media platforms.

It’s almost like you’re offended, which is weird, coming from you.🤔

EDIT: I just remembered, even Josh D'Amaro mentioned that he knew people were upset about Donald's Boat, or something to that extent at D23.
 
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mickEblu

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Honestly, not really. If anything, I’m interested in the queue. The actual ride…eh. I would have preferred to have gotten a unique ride. At least MMRR didn’t replace another ride. That’s a win.

Based off the ride throughs, I’m anticipating that I’ll like it (not love it) and think that it has more potential. With that said, I’m looking forward to experiencing it in person and it’ll be cool to have another E ticket at DL in Toontown of all places.
 

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