PiratesMansion
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Hey now, that is a very charming rocket ship!
I will grant you that that's super ugly. But really, we could probably cherry pick awkward transitions in most any Disney park.
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Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland
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Hey now, that is a very charming rocket ship!
I will grant you that that's super ugly. But really, we could probably cherry pick awkward transitions in most any Disney park.
Sharon&Susan
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TROR
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When everyone's super...
What's weird is that it's never once bothered me. I just never think about it when I'm there.
Mickeyboof
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Do you want me to address the phone thing? Reminds me of Peco’s Bill in Flordia- still has a pay phone bank!
Careful- last time people poked fun at the pay phones, someone lectured us that people still need them and it’s inconsiderate to call them dated, tacky or against authenticity!
mickEblu
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I always enjoy talking about the Internationals and I saw an opportunity, so I took it.
-Food is definitely a 100% subjective thing, I'll agree there.
-Are you one to explore the parks and appreciate the atmosphere and details? Because if you're someone who likes exploring the details TDS contains multitudes, as does Paris, and that can help fill the day. I feel like that tends to be somewhat underappreciated at DLR simply because there are so many attractions and so many people have been there so many times. But I suppose if you have a ride-centric mentality (not saying you do) you can do what you need to in half a day. But what an attraction lineup though! Far better than most other parks IMO.
-I guess I can see that argument for Monsters; I still find the DLR Pooh ride insulting since it came after TDR's, not that PHH would have ever happened under THAT management team.
-My apologies if I made it sound like the lack of Marvel and Star Wars was some kind of purist OLC choice, but I still think some on here would find that refreshing.
-I recognize the poorer design of the initial areas; hopefully someday they will finally go forward with those redos. I will say that even with their shortcomings TDL FEELS like the American parks (World Bazaar aside, perhaps) in a way that the Chinese parks and even parts of Paris do not. TDL was the last castle park some of those original designers worked on, and I feel like that's tangible. Maybe just me.
-In terms of things the park does an excellent level, I did point out staffing and spending money
And I respect that many people hold that opinion. However, I again argue that you cannot decide which park is better simply by comparing them from the internet, and that it's fundamentally not much different from the people who say WDW must be better because it has four parks.
You are putting all sorts of words and assumptions into other people's mouths.
So are you telling me because I haven’t been to Paris that I can’t say that their Eiffel Tower is better than the one in Vegas?
I believe you can make comparisons. I don’t need to go to an international park to understand that the Intimate scale that they built Disneyland in will never be duplicated. Nor do I need to go in person to know that it’s the original and only park Walt oversaw personally. I don’t say that just to point out the historical aspect. The man knew what he was doing.
I create opinions based off you tube ride throughs all the time. I find it interesting that those opinions in a lot of cases are echoed by many people who have actually been on those attractions. I called Falcon being a dud months before it opened based off 3 or 4 facts we had at the time. I predicted that SWL was not going to break DL 2 years before it opened. You want to tell me I can’t create an opinion or compare based on a video that I’m actually seeing with my own eyes?
I do think that you need to experience something in person to get the full experience and fill in the blanks. In some attractions like FOP for example then I can see how making an opinion based off a video would be silly. However, when you take the experience of 100s of Disneyland’s visits, dozens of books read, documentaries seen AND use the videos to formulate an opinion then I think that should be considered a well rounded opinion. Not perfect of course but worth something.
Lastly, I’ll say that I would like to visit all the Disney parks around the world if I could. I just don’t prioritize them over other destinations because I have the original in my backyard. Same reason I haven’t been to WDW yet.
BasiltheBatLord
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TDL has a ton of them though... Like "transition" at TDL just means the concrete changed color.
mickEblu
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I’ll take it one step further and say I really like that area. Not sure why tables against some greenery is a problem. Yeah you can see the Buzz building but you are in such a tight space (not approaching it head on as a focal point) and usually focused on the Matterhorn or your kid or what snack is in your hand. I like the shade and that it’s usually not a very crowded path.
Mickeyboof
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A palate cleanser, perhaps!
Disneylover152
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The wall should be green or sky blue. Then nobody will see it.
Exhibit A-
If you look really really really hard, you can see a massive show building. But again, it's really hard to see. Because it's green. And blue.
mickEblu
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Lol WOW. The mistake was putting that big box there in the first place. So it seems what they are trying to do is have trees blend in with the bottom half and then the sky blend in with the rest. We obviously won’t get that vantage point from the picture when standing at ground level in the park. What will it look like when standing inside the park? That’s what I want to see
PiratesMansion
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I'm telling you (and you seem to agree based on other parts of this same response) that you never get the full experience from a video that you do in person. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you make one view based on a video and then you experience it in person and it turns out it's correct, you could be very astute and in touch with your own preferences; if so, great! But it could just as well be confirmation bias. Hence why I've tried to stay away from GE opinions and POVs because I truly want to form my own opinion and not let what others say cloud my judgment, because inevitably such clouding will happen unless you seal yourself off from the experience completely. Everyone has their own biases.
I think the Eiffel Tower example is a bit flawed; while it is true that the Eiffel Tower has been widely copied, none of those copies were done by Gustave Eiffel or his company, whereas TWDC has had a hand in every Disney park constructed since Disneyland. Walt didn't live to see the other parks, but the same people who built Disneyland build Magic Kingdom, and most of them stuck around for TDL and even DLP. HKDL was done by a lot of the people who worked on DLP. And so on. While Walt played a huge part in Disneyland, themed design did not stop cold the minute Walt Disney passed away, and you very much see it carried on in the subsequent parks, give or take a WDSP. There's a legacy and a continuity there that has endured at Disney.
So really, the Eiffel Tower at the Paris casino (and all of the others) would be better compared to Beijing Shijingshan or Nara Dreamland as unauthorized, unofficial knockoffs. So while if you wanted to dismiss the other parks as official knockoffs I suppose you could (and you'd be neither the first nor the last to do so), but I'd say it's not the whole picture, and and there'd be a degree of nuance missing in that interpretation. Will the others live up to Disneyland for you or others in person? I couldn't possibly say, other than noting that going in saying it couldn't possibly live up to the original will likely result in a very expensive self-fulfilling prophecy. But there's artistry, continuity, merit, and evolution (sometimes devolution too) in the other parks that shouldn't just be dismissed by calling them knockoffs, IMO.
I truly hope that you get to visit all the parks. I was rooting for you back in the threads you made that those trips would happen for you, and I still hope that they do someday!
Definitely. It'd be more accurate to say, however, that TDL has a ton of them. TDS has properly designed transitions between lands.
Californian Elitist
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Yes, yes, yes.
I had always admired Rome’s Colosseum from photos and videos, but it literally took my breath away when I saw it in person.
No comparison.
mickEblu
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I may not sound like it here all the time but I’m very open minded and always try to have the best time when I’m actually at the parks. After driving 1.5 hours In traffic to get to the park, loading a stroller on a tram etc. I’m just trying to have a good time when I’m there. Not thinking of talking about the stuff we do here. Nobody talked more $hit about GOTG:MB yet when I’m at the park I ride it 3/4 the time. It’s fun to go up and down and is a nice change of pace from the Dumbo, IASW, Teacups circuit. So, one day if I spend the money to go to WDW or an international Disney park you better believe I’m going there to have a good time. When I get back I’ll reflect and give my honest opinion as I always do. Thanks for rooting for me! Haha. Just never been the right time. By the time I decided( or realized) I was even interested in visiting other Disney parks I had a baby on the way and the rest is history. Not trying to spend that money to solo ride everything and child switch with my wife.
You do make sense in your posts and I’ve found statements I agree with in pretty much every posters opinion on this topic in the last couple pages. I think its silly when people shut down opinions because you haven’t been to another park or attraction in person. Not saying that’s you and we agree that you can’t formulate a full opinion. I just think that most of us here have enough experience and knowledge to formulate a pretty solid opinion. Their very well could be people who fall into the confirmation bias camp but I wouldn’t put myself there. I’m pretty honest and consistent with my opinions. I trashed GOTG: MB the entire time it was built but still wrote a long, nuanced review pointing out some things I liked more than TOT. Personally I Wouldn’t call my prediction on Falcon confirmation bias. The proof is in the puddin. Anyway, I will wager based on your posting history that you will like but not love GE like most of us here and enjoy yourself when you are there... like most of us here.
mickEblu
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But the difference is you have no real frame of reference there. When it comes to Disney attractions we have the Disneyland attractions to refer to.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
"World cultures" So no standard is better than one? Countries don't work that way.
Mickeyboof
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Right. And the American standard is the golden one!
TROR
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Yes. Unless you can name a better country that has no sins its past and holds objectively good values? Have fun with that.
Mickeyboof
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I don’t even think the US is on any top five lists haha
TROR
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What are the five best nations and cultures, then?