Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
How are these even the same character?

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Honestly looks more like Gooby from those old Dolan Duck comics.

And how is the MM in Plane Crazy the same character as the MM from the softer sanitized version you prefer?

Or Walt's original Goofy from the softer sanitized version you prefer?

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Cries of "that's not the real Mickey" are historically ignorant.

You want to prefer a Mickey from a particular generation, sure. Claiming the current one is somehow 'wrong' is to declare Walt's Mickey to be wrong.
 

TROR

Well-Known Member
And how is the MM in Plane Crazy the same character as the MM from the softer sanitized version you prefer?

Or Walt's original Goofy from the softer sanitized version you prefer?

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Cries of "that's not the real Mickey" are historically ignorant.

You want to prefer a Mickey from a particular generation, sure. Claiming the current one is somehow 'wrong' is to declare Walt's Mickey to be wrong.
Walt’s Mickey is wrong. Original does not mean the best.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
It's how MM got popular in the first place in order to morph into something else.

That's Walt's mouse. Period. Stop pretending it's not part of the history of MM because it doesn't fit the narrative that the current iteration of MM isn't "the real Mickey."

Classic case of No True Scotsman.
Not to mention Mickey Mouse was actually created as a replacement for Oswald The Lucky Rabbit. Heck most of the jokes from old Mickey cartoons were actually reused from the Walt era Oswald cartoons. I'm shocked Oswald hasn't gotten his own collection on Disney+ yet. Especially since some of his cartoons that were previously lost just got discovered in recent years.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
I watched the full ride through, and to me this is by far the most interesting, seemingly fun, repeatable attraction they’ve added to the parks for a long time. I’m actually looking forward to riding this some day.

I also actually like the new Mickey shorts. The style doesn’t bother me and from the few I’ve seen, they have a lot of fun references to the parks etc.

Ughhhhh, being positive is sooooo draining. 😩
It's not just references to Disney Parks, but also featured references and cameos from Disney's past (including obscure references).
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Not to mention Mickey Mouse was actually created as a replacement for Oswald The Lucky Rabbit. Heck most of the jokes from old Mickey cartoons were actually reused from the Walt era Oswald cartoons. I'm shocked Oswald hasn't gotten his own collection on Disney+ yet. Especially since some of his cartoons that were previously lost just got discovered in recent years.

Oswald should sue Mickey.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
One has to wonder (and I believe this might have been brought up before, even by me) but the new shorts (not really new at this point) and the attraction might all be a ploy by Disney to extend the Mickey Mouse copyright. If you may not know Steamboat Willie, and thus Mickey Mouse, is set to expire from copyright and become public domain at the end of 2023. Given the new short's style has a very close resemblance to the original Iwerks style it makes a bit of sense. Its the reason why I also think they want to get the attraction at DLR finished in 2022 and won't delay it. The more they can get this version of Mickey out there gives them more ability to push Congress to extend the Copyright law yet again.

Just a thought, might not be true, just a feeling I have. But something to think about.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
One has to wonder (and I believe this might have been brought up before, even by me) but the new shorts (not really new at this point) and the attraction might all be a ploy by Disney to extend the Mickey Mouse copyright. If you may not know Steamboat Willie, and thus Mickey Mouse, is set to expire from copyright and become public domain at the end of 2023. Given the new short's style has a very close resemblance to the original Iwerks style it makes a bit of sense. Its the reason why I also think they want to get the attraction at DLR finished in 2022 and won't delay it. The more they can get this version of Mickey out there gives them more ability to push Congress to extend the Copyright law yet again.

Just a thought, might not be true, just a feeling I have. But something to think about.
Mickey Mouse is also trademarked and those don’t expire. Others may be able to resell Steamboat Willie but they would not necessarily be able to create their own Mickey Mouse content. The US is also party to a number of IPR agreements that would complicate another unpopular extension.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
I can appreciate this Mickey in this ride. It’s designed to be integral. I’d rather argue how Disney Star Wars doesn’t work.
I'm just surprised I haven't seen people pointing out that the number one complaint for both MMRR and Galaxy's Edge is that they used the current iteration of characters that are far less popular-seeming than the classically-loved versions of the characters. Whether that's Mickey & Minnie classic vs. new shorts Mickey & Minnie or Luke & Leia vs. Rey & Kylo. It's the same issue and it's curious to me that the same choice was made for the two modern major creations/additions and has had the same top reaction of: 'meh, why didn't you use the characters I loved and then I could have otherwise loved this thing that you built?' Just an observation that I've had when reading both the MMRR and GE reactions and seeing the similarity.

That said, I'm super looking forward to MMRR adding to ToonTown - still not sure if I'll be able to ride it or not, but think it will be a great addition to the area. But I'm also super looking forward to Avengers Campus adding to DCA because I know I'm gonna love the place even if it's just a restaurant, shops, a show, a 'little' ride and a meet & greet location. For me the best thing to come out of Tower of Terror was getting to finally see the Silver Lake Sisters perform before the attraction closed. And the best thing to come out of GOTG:MB is the GOTG Awesome Dance-Off - I never went on either version of the attraction and never will, but those things added to the theming and character of the park and its atmosphere, which is why I go there. Not for E-tickets. YMMV (and probably does)
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Mickey Mouse is also trademarked and those don’t expire. Others may be able to resell Steamboat Willie but they would not necessarily be able to create their own Mickey Mouse content. The US is also party to a number of IPR agreements that would complicate another unpopular extension.

If it was just as simple as you state it then Disney would have never fought for the Copyright Term Extension act to begin with. A law that is nicknamed "Mickey Mouse Protection Action".

Yes, Mickey is trademarked as a mascot of the company. But that only limits usage in regards to someone's branding usage of Mickey not content created from such.

As the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey copyright expires that means others can create works based on the style of Mickey. This means that artists can create Mickey Mouse content of that style freely and sell it without having to get permission from Disney. And as long as they don't violate the trademark by renaming their character to something else. Then Disney will have no legal recourse to go after them. Now of course as we know Disney will still likely try to go after them, but now the law isn't on their side once the copyright expires.

Bottom line unless they can find a way to extend the Copyright of Mickey again they are going to lose it at the end of 2023.
 

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