Meanwhile at USH this weekend...

dweezil78

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Inside Universal has an article that talks about the results so far. Basically attendance is lower than expected mainly due to AP attendance being blocked out. However revenue has been substantially increased since Potter open. Food and merch along with 1 day ticket sales have jumped.

http://insideuniversal.net/2016/04/...tter-a-success-its-complicated-and-heres-why/


This is also exhibit A for why you probably won't see Disneyland remove monthly payment options or otherwise heavily discourage AP sales anytime soon. There will be tinkering with the AP program especially with Star Wars on the horizon, but they are learning from Universal what not to do.

Yesterday was the first non-blockout date since Potter opened and wait times were still fairly low all things considered. Was the first time I ever got an email from Universal telling me that blockout dates were ending for a period of time which I thought was interesting.
 

TP2000

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Three weeks later and Uni is having a busier Saturday today, but nothing crazy crowded. At 5:15pm..

Universal Studios Hollywood 9am-10pm
Transformers - 40 Minutes
Forbidden Journey - 35 Minutes
Hippogriff - 30 Minutes
Tram Tour - 25 Minutes
Simpsons - 25 Minutes
Jurassic Park - 15 Minutes

In Anaheim, the Angels are playing the Mariners tonight in an hour, and the Ducks have a big playoff game this evening. Traffic on Sigalert.com on the Anaheim freeways and around the Stadium/Honda Center is very, very heavy right now. There is no convention or show at the Anaheim Convention Center this weekend, but Disneyland Resort is very busy.

Disneyland 8am-Midnight
Hyperspace Mountain - 95 Minutes
Star Tours - 90 Minutes
Matterhorn - 75 Minutes
Splash Mt. - 75 Minutes
Indy - 65 Minutes
Peter Pan, Roger Rabbit & Alice - 45 Minutes
Pirates, Thunder Mt. & Small World - 30 Minutes

DCA 8am-9pm
Radiator Springs Racers - 120 Minutes
Midway Mania - 55 Minutes
Tower of Terror & Fun Wheel - 45 Minutes
Luigi's Rollickin' Roadsters - 40 Minutes
Soarin' & Monsters Inc. - 30 Minutes
 

nerdboyrockstar

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Comparing wait times of rides that can take less than 1300 riders per hour than Forbidden Journey... at a resort that handles 10 million more guests per year... and with a second gate that can be added on to your ticket for as low as $55.. is pretty funny to me.
 

Californian Elitist

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Comparing wait times of rides that can take less than 1300 riders per hour than Forbidden Journey... at a resort that handles 10 million more guests per year... and with a second gate that can be added on to your ticket for as low as $55.. is pretty funny to me.

Agreed, I don't see the point. We've got TP noting a 35 minute wait yesterday, and GMtM saying the wait time was over two hours for a long period of time yesterday. Both could be true. Again, this is pointless.
 
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Californian Elitist

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I need the wait time for FJ to stay between 15-30 mins when I visit. Not sure I want to wait 2+ hours, but then again, it would give me more time to appreciate the queue.
 

dweezil78

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Comparing wait times of rides that can take less than 1300 riders per hour than Forbidden Journey... at a resort that handles 10 million more guests per year... and with a second gate that can be added on to your ticket for as low as $55.. is pretty funny to me.

Eh, I don't think all that crazy to do comparisons. No one's saying the two parks are apples to apples, not by a long shot. They're not even apples to tomatoes. But with that lower attendance at USH, there's also significantly less to do at the park to eat those crowds and this discussion is around what should have been an explosive first few weeks after HP's grand opening... and wasn't.
 
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What's telling is that Universal and the news media have been silent on the performance of WWoHP since it opened. No big headlines about massive crowds, no reports of long lines or gate closures. Nor has there been a peep from Universal's marketing team boasting how the expansion is breaking attendance records and yadda yadda yadda like they did following the opening of Potterland in Florida.

Sadly this thing appears to not be generating the kind of excitement everyone expected. In the coming months it'll be interesting to see how Universal, online bloggers, and analysts interpret the public's response.
 

TP2000

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Comparing wait times of rides that can take less than 1300 riders per hour than Forbidden Journey... at a resort that handles 10 million more guests per year... and with a second gate that can be added on to your ticket for as low as $55.. is pretty funny to me.

The numbers are even more dramatic, from the unofficially official TEA report...

2014 Attendance (2015 numbers released this June)
Disneyland Resort - 25.4 Million
Universal Hollywood - 6.8 Million

Disneyland Resort has 55 rides and another 25 various "attractions" (theaters, stage shows, exhibits, walk-thrus) in its two parks, while Universal Studios Hollywood now has 7 rides and about a dozen various "attractions" (theaters, stage shows, exhibits).

As has been noted, the comparison is apples to oranges. But since they are two theme parks in SoCal, the comparison is there.
 
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TP2000

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Agreed, I don't see the point. We've got TP noting a 35 minute wait yesterday, and GMtM saying the wait time was over two hours for a long period of time yesterday. Both could be true. Again, this is pointless.

Both likely were true. I didn't check out the wait time yesterday until late afternoon. The line-tracker posted earlier in this thread shows the crowds consistently all head to Potter first thing and fill the queue while the rest of the park sits empty, then after lunch the crowd disperses through the rest of the park and the wait for Forbidden Journey collapses to 30 minutes or less.

Save it for after lunch! ;)
 
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As has been noted, the comparison is apples to oranges. But since they are two theme parks in SoCal, the comparison is there.

To your point I think the goal for USH was to close the gap with DLR like they did in Orlando with WDW, and it just isn't happening. WWOHP in Orlando got everyone's attention because it dramatically changed traffic patterns in the market by increasing attendance at Universal and attracting more visitors to the region. I think the assumption here was that HP was going to perform similarly in Hollywood and so far it isn't happening.
 

Disneyhead'71

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What I believe Universal is attempting to do here is the first step in moving the park towards a destination theme park. I don't think the problem is with Potter as much as the fact that USH is not a vacation destination. It is an add-on. They will get their numbers when the travel season starts. But USH, even with Potter, isn't enough to spur a vacation in the off season.
 

nerdboyrockstar

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Crunch all the numbers you want but there's no comparison to the Studio Tour at Disneyland. Nothing will keep guests on a ride for 45 minutes at DLR (barring a breakdown). Considering some of the ride times, that's anywhere from 5 to 10 attractions in DL. It's just a different beast altogether.

And while the attendance maybe lower than Universal's expectations, Universal did this. They jacked up the gate price AND introduced dynamic pricing AND restructured their APs and added more blackout dates, etc. They made it so people have way less access to the park for less than the price of a 1-day ticket, and for an attraction that's been in FL for six years.

But WWOHP isn't an important addition to Universal's parks because it increases attendance. Pretty much every new attraction at any theme park does that. It changed how guests consume a themed land in terms of shopping, food, and beverage. I'm sure Universal might prefer less people in 120+ minute lines and more buying $50 wands, $100 robes, and drinking $6 Butterbeers (I'm guesstimating). They will come away with similar dividends and probably much higher guest satisfaction.

Remember, this is the same land that made Disney reevaluate how they create theme park lands and its influence, which already can be seen in Cars Land, and will continue in the development of Star Wars land, is helping to keep burgers and chicken nuggets out of restaurants and DisneyParks sweatshirts out of stores.
 
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They will get their numbers when the travel season starts.

Will they? We have no idea what magic number meets or exceeds their projections, but I'm inclined to believe that the slow start already has them significantly behind in meeting their attendance goals.

As for guest spending, there's sure to be an increase just from the massive rise in ticket prices alone before factoring in the sales of HP merchandise and food. However, it appears that the best case expectations for those metrics might need to be dialed back a bit. Again, it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 

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