Masks and Social Distancing Go Away in WDW

[Chi84]

It also hasn't been proven to be false

Actually, at the start the scientists making the vaccine said there's no universe in which a 95% effective vaccine doesn't also stop transmission, but that they couldn't make any claims regarding transmission because the trials were not set up to measure it. Since then, studies by Pfizer and Moderna have shown that the vaccines protect against infection and transmission as well as symptoms. The CDC's own study showed only 0.008% of vaccinated people have been infected. People who do not get COVID are not transmitting it to others.

People mistakenly believe that a 95% effectiveness rate means 5% of vaccinated people in the trials got COVID. In reality, the number was about a hundred times less than that because effectiveness was measured against the control group and not all people in the control group got COVID. I've posted support for all of these statements in other threads - people who have their minds made up don't care.

People who have not yet decided on whether to get the vaccines need to know how effective they are - telling them they can still get COVID and transmit it to others, without emphasizing how incredibly rare that would be, seems irresponsible to me. The CDC has to be careful about changing its recommendations on mitigation for vaccinated people because most people are not vaccinated and there is no reliable way to differentiate at this time.

 

[Hockey89]

Actually, at the start the scientists making the vaccine said there's no universe in which a 95% effective vaccine doesn't also stop transmission, but that they couldn't make any claims regarding transmission because the trials were not set up to measure it. Since then, studies by Pfizer and Moderna have shown that the vaccines protect against infection and transmission as well as symptoms. The CDC's own study showed only 0.008% of vaccinated people have been infected. People who do not get COVID are not transmitting it to others.

People mistakenly believe that a 95% effectiveness rate means 5% of vaccinated people in the trials got COVID. In reality, the number was about a hundred times less than that because effectiveness was measured against the control group and not all people in the control group got COVID. I've posted support for all of these statements in other threads - people who have their minds made up don't care.

People who have not yet decided on whether to get the vaccines need to know how effective they are - telling them they can still get COVID and transmit it to others, without emphasizing how incredibly rare that would be, seems irresponsible to me. The CDC has to be careful about changing its recommendations on mitigation for vaccinated people because most people are not vaccinated and there is no reliable way to differentiate at this time.

Using real facts and logic. That has no place here

 

[Hockey89]

No I was being serious - - - - - sure the US is doing great with vaccines. The rest of the world however.......not so much.
Too many people from around the globe to contend with.
Remember - - - once you are vaccinated you can get still get and transmit the virus...especially the new variants.

It is going to be a long road people - - we are in a GLOBAL pandemic. We are all effecting each other right now.
Sometime in 2023 we might get to be mask free.....that is a might.

Just my 2 cents

2023 hahahahahah...

 

[bdearl41]

It also hasn't been proven to be false

But there is a great deal more evidence to it not being spread. At this point it’s a we should be scared of the what if versus what is really happening.

 

[bdearl41]

No I was being serious - - - - - sure the US is doing great with vaccines. The rest of the world however.......not so much.
Too many people from around the globe to contend with.
Remember - - - once you are vaccinated you can get still get and transmit the virus...especially the new variants.

It is going to be a long road people - - we are in a GLOBAL pandemic. We are all effecting each other right now.
Sometime in 2023 we might get to be mask free.....that is a might.

Just my 2 cents

I can tell you in NC it’s pretty much mask free except in Charlotte, Raleigh, parts of Durham and parts of Greensboro.

 

[Sixfingeredman]

No I was being serious - - - - - sure the US is doing great with vaccines. The rest of the world however.......not so much.
Too many people from around the globe to contend with.
Remember - - - once you are vaccinated you can get still get and transmit the virus...especially the new variants.

It is going to be a long road people - - we are in a GLOBAL pandemic. We are all effecting each other right now.
Sometime in 2023 we might get to be mask free.....that is a might.

Just my 2 cents

I understand why some people hold a conservative point of view regarding masks, but I think it's unbelievably unrealistic to think they'll stick around until 2023. There's just no way. Most people are sick of them already, and the higher the vaccinated number gets, the less mask rules we will see. Personally, I think eliminating them in places like DW will occur somewhere between September of 2021 - March of 2022.

 

[Tom P.]

It also hasn't been proven to be false

 

[Michaelson]

"I can tell you in NC it’s pretty much mask free except in Charlotte, Raleigh, parts of Durham and parts of Greensboro."

Same in Tennessee.

Regards! Michaelson

 

[NickMaio]

That is not proven to be true.

I'm sorry but NO vaccine is 100% effective. None.
So yes it is possible to catch and spread covid by those vaccinated.
Not likely, but possible.
Especially with larger population densities.

 

[drizgirl]

I'm sorry but NO vaccine is 100% effective. None.
So yes it is possible to catch and spread covid by those vaccinated.
Not likely, but possible.
Especially with larger population densities.

So the goal post is now on the 100% line?

 

[Chi84]

So the goal post is now on the 100% line?

That would be unreasonable. Things are already changing. The CDC has revised its guidelines for vaccinated people and has said it would continue to do so. It’s moving more slowly than some would like, but most people are still unvaccinated, and it’s the unvaccinated who are at risk.

 

[NickMaio]

So the goal post is now on the 100% line?

Be realistic about what is going on here.......
Even if everyone in Florida is vaccinated - - - you need to look at the bigger picture, the rest of the world is not.

This is going to be a much longer road than anyone wants.

Florida is a global hub - - - - - do the math what is .008% of 350,000,000? - - - That is the number of people who can get and infect others with covid if your whole country is vaccinated.
It is a global pandemic. Its is reality.

 

[bdearl41]

Be realistic about what is going on here.......
Even if everyone in Florida is vaccinated - - - you need to look at the bigger picture, the rest of the world is not.

This is going to be a much longer road than anyone wants.

Florida is a global hub - - - - - do the math what is .008% of 350,000,000? - - - That is the number of people who can get and infect others with covid if your whole country is vaccinated.
It is a global pandemic. Its is reality.

This isn’t exactly correct. Those 2.8 million succeptable to catching it, mostly asymptomatic I might add would have to constantly reinfect one another. And the statistics on reinfection is even lower at .0065 so really having 70-80% is sufficient to bring the R0 number down to where it would be rare to have very minor outbreaks.

 

[NickMaio]

This isn’t exactly correct. Those 2.8 million succeptable to catching it, mostly asymptomatic I might add would have to constantly reinfect one another. And the statistics on reinfection is even lower at .0065 so really having 70-80% is sufficient to bring the R0 number down to where it would be rare to have very minor outbreaks.

Also think about the 3% of your country that still views this as a hoax and will not get vaccinated.
Semantics about stats.....it IS possible to get anc infected others
We are all in this for the long haul.
2023 IF we are lucky.

 

[Chi84]

Also think about the 3% of your country that still views this as a hoax and will not get vaccinated.
Semantics about stats.....it IS possible to get anc infected others
We are all in this for the long haul.
2023 IF we are lucky.

Mitigation measures won't last without public support, and no one will support them until 2023. If COVID is still presenting a serious issue by then, there will likely be more acceptance for the idea of vaccine passports and other measures that will allow people to get back to normal. The good news is that the vaccinated are protected and the majority of the people who are most severely impacted have already been vaccinated.

 

[NickMaio]

I didn't say it hasn't. But the PP presented it as fact. This is how misinformation gets spread.

It is fact.....you can still get covid after being vaccinated.
This has happened to 4 people in my province already this month.
And guess what....they CAN infect others.

 

[pixie225]

It is fact.....you can still get covid after being vaccinated.
This has happened to 4 people in my province already this month.
And guess what....they CAN infect others.

I know of 2 people in the same situation. One was in her eighties, and one in his 50's. They still took precautions and still came down with covid. And look at the UConn Women's basketball coach - Geno Auriemma. He was fully vaccinated and came down with covid at the beginning of the NCAA women's sweet 16. Missed 2 games due to quarantine.

 

[RoyWalley]

I know of 2 people in the same situation. One was in her eighties, and one in his 50's. They still took precautions and still came down with covid. And look at the UConn Women's basketball coach - Geno Auriemma. He was fully vaccinated and came down with covid at the beginning of the NCAA women's sweet 16. Missed 2 games due to quarantine.

Incorrect information regarding Geno:

Geno Auriemma Tests Positive For COVID-19 - University of Connecticut Athletics

UConn head women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma tested positive for COVID-19 on Sunday, March 14. The Hall of Famer is isolating at his home and is not experiencing

uconnhuskies.com

 

[Chi84]

Looks like Seaworld in San Diego is requiring proof of COVID vaccines for out-of-state visitors.

 

[CosmicRays]

I think the only way they get rid of masks this year is if they required vaccines to enter the parks. But I can't see them stifling their revenue stream that hard so I think earliest is next year.