Marvel's The Avengers Passes $700 Million Mark in 13 Days!....Way to Assemble!!!

[WDWmazprty]

I wouldn't underestimate the bat. Really depends on how great a movie it is.

I understand why this version of Batman resonates with audiences in such a spectacular way.

And some day I might even explain it to all of you here. But you'll just have to wait awhile. At least until I see the final film.

Which I can't wait to see!

I have no doubt The Dark Knight Rises will be great, and I can't wait to see it. I just don't see the same hype and enthusiasm from the fans to have it surpass the success of The Avengers. Of course, only time will tell.

 

[unkadug]

I wouldn't underestimate the bat. Really depends on how great a movie it is.

I understand why this version of Batman resonates with audiences in such a spectacular way.

And some day I might even explain it to all of you here. But you'll just have to wait awhile. At least until I see the final film.

Which I can't wait to see!

So now you have insight into the public psyche on a film that has yet to be released? :lol:

 

[jt04]

So now you have insight into the public psyche on a film that has yet to be released? :lol:

In case you have not heard the first two installments have been released. The sequel doing much better than the first and becomming one of the highest grossing films ever. Many people are still perplexed by it.

I do understand why it resonates and I am certain nobody here understands exactly why. I have read many theories and nobody gets close. I have read the usual nonsense about the death of one of the stars or the dark nature of the films....blah blah blah. And it isn't because Batman has no extroidinary powers or the theory everyone wants to be a vigilatnte :hurl:

No, it is none of these. Not even close.

And someday I might enlighten you. But that day is not yet here. :wave:

 

[unkadug]

In case you have not heard the first two installments have been released. The sequel doing much better than the first and becomming one of the highest grossing films ever. Many people are still perplexed by it.

I do understand why it resonates and I am certain nobody here understands exactly why. I have read many theories and nobody gets close. I have read the usual nonsense about the death of one of the stars or the dark nature of the films....blah blah blah. And it isn't because Batman has no extroidinary powers or the theory everyone wants to be a vigilatnte :hurl:

No, it is none of these. Not even close.

And someday I might enlighten you. But that day is not yet here. :wave:

:lol:

What a pile of rubbish.

 

[Captain Chaos]

In case you have not heard the first two installments have been released. The sequel doing much better than the first and becomming one of the highest grossing films ever. Many people are still perplexed by it.

I do understand why it resonates and I am certain nobody here understands exactly why. I have read many theories and nobody gets close. I have read the usual nonsense about the death of one of the stars or the dark nature of the films....blah blah blah. And it isn't because Batman has no extroidinary powers or the theory everyone wants to be a vigilatnte :hurl:

No, it is none of these. Not even close.

And someday I might enlighten you. But that day is not yet here. :wave:

I'll enlighten you... Heath Ledger put in a great performance of Joker and oh yea, he died right before release... Not saying Dark Knight wasn't a great movie cause it was... But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Batman plays on the psyche of the population... It was a perfect storm of events...

And that isn't nonsense... but then again, in your little world, anything you don't believe is nonsense even though it is the truth... BTW, pixies aren't real either LOL...

 

[flynnibus]

I'll enlighten you... Heath Ledger put in a great performance of Joker and oh yea, he died right before release... Not saying Dark Knight wasn't a great movie cause it was... But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Batman plays on the psyche of the population... It was a perfect storm of events...

A perfect storm that also happened for the previous movie? And most of the movie's before it? It had winning attributes, not a chance alignment of attributes.

Can't deny that Batman, like Superman, has far more widespread awareness than characters like Thor, Iron Man, etc. Batman, combined with Nolan has equaled monster success. It's likely to repeat itself again.

 

[wm49rs]

:lol:

What a pile of rubbish.

Just be thankful that he'll never enlighten you....

 

[jt04]

Boy, I think I am on to something judging by the response. :lol:

Now I am not talking about some mass psycholgical trick being played here by the writers. I am not suggesting that HL's death did not attract the morbidly curious. I am not suggesting his character did not attract delusional anarchists. I am not suggesting Batman did not attract the most hard core fanboys from geekdom. I am not suggesting the movie did not attract comic book attics, old and young alike. I am suggesting that none of these explains why these movies have been so effective in a way the genre has failed to do before. It does not explain the numbers or the impact the movies have had on people. The first two movies have confounded critics and fans alike. I have seen them wallow in theories and explanations to no avail as to why the movies are so effective.

We can understand why The Avengers is successful. It is a tried and true movie formula that entertains. A perfect summer pop corn movie. But the Batman series, at least up until now, is more mysterious. I have figured out the formula that makes it work. I am not even sure the director or writers understand what they have going for themselves. This lightning in a bottle that is so rarely captured. I have not heard anyone articulate an answer that makes sense but many have tried.

I can explain it. Simple as that. I'll get back to this subject sometime in July or August after I have seen the movie a few times to confirm my thoughts.

Until then I will let the subject go.

:wave:

 

[jt04]

A perfect storm that also happened for the previous movie? And most of the movie's before it? It had winning attributes, not a chance alignment of attributes.

Can't deny that Batman, like Superman, has far more widespread awareness than characters like Thor, Iron Man, etc. Batman, combined with Nolan has equaled monster success. It's likely to repeat itself again.

I agree. And I like the way you define it as "winning attributes". That it has.

I have not anticipated a movie this much since Return of the Jedi possibly.

 

[unkadug]

Boy, I think I am on to something judging by the response. :lol:

Now I am not talking about some mass psycholgical trick being played here by the writers. I am not suggesting that HL's death did not attract the morbidly curious. I am not suggesting his character did not attract delusional anarchists. I am not suggesting Batman did not attract the most hard core fanboys from geekdom. I am not suggesting the movie did not attract comic book attics, old and young alike. I am suggesting that none of these explains why these movies have been so effective in a way the genre has failed to do before. It does not explain the numbers or the impact the movies have had on people. The first two movies have confounded critics and fans alike. I have seen them wallow in theories and explanations to no avail as to why the movies are so effective.

We can understand why The Avengers is successful. It is a tried and true movie formula that entertains. A perfect summer pop corn movie. But the Batman series, at least up until now, is more mysterious. I have figured out the formula that makes it work. I am not even sure the director or writers understand what they have going for themselves. This lightning in a bottle that is so rarely captured. I have not heard anyone articulate an answer that makes sense but many have tried.

I can explain it. Simple as that. I'll get back to this subject sometime in July or August after I have seen the movie a few times to confirm my thoughts.

Until then I will let the subject go.

:wave:

:lol:

So...the reason you cannot release your hypothesis on why this movie (which has yet to be released) has touched a nerve with the general public is because you have yet to formulate it?

JT... you are so entertaining! :wave:

 

[jt04]

:lol:

So...the reason you cannot release your hypothesis on why this movie (which has yet to be released) has touched a nerve with the general public is because you have yet to formulate it?

JT... you are so entertaining! :wave:

Like I said, I am not even sure the director or writers understand what they have on their hands. If that is the case they are perfectly capable of screwing it up.

If they do know what they are doing they are brilliant and this trilogy will stand the test of time. Right along side the original Star Wars trilogy or the first two Godfather movies. This Batman trilogy has that potential.

You need to be a little more critically minded instead of just critical. :wave:

 

[unkadug]

Like I said, I am not even sure the director or writers understand what they have on their hands. If that is the case they are perfectly capable of screwing it up.

If they do know what they are doing they are brilliant and this trilogy will stand the test of time. Right along side the original Star Wars trilogy or the first two Godfather movies. This Batman trilogy has that potential.

You need to be a little more critically minded instead of just critical. :wave:

Nah...you have that corner covered just fine. :lol:

 

[Captain Chaos]

A perfect storm that also happened for the previous movie? And most of the movie's before it? It had winning attributes, not a chance alignment of attributes.

Can't deny that Batman, like Superman, has far more widespread awareness than characters like Thor, Iron Man, etc. Batman, combined with Nolan has equaled monster success. It's likely to repeat itself again.

Batman Begins did $372 million world wide, $205 million of which was domestic.. Dark Knight did $1 billion world wide, half of which was domestic... Dark Knights opening weekend was $158 million, compared to $48 million for Batman Begins...

So, yes, I will stand by my opinion that Dark Knight's massive numbers were helped along because of Heath Ledger (and the fact that there was really no competition for 6 weeks)...

Don't get me wrong here... Dark Knight is a fantastic movie, one of my top 5 favorites... I went to see it three times in the theaters and I never go to see a movie that many times... But, the unfortunate death of Heath Ledger hyped the movie more... And to be honest, the hype around his performance was totally justified... He has been the best Joker so far... When WB reboots Batman in a few years, the studio will have a difficult time with the next Joker because of Heath's performance...It is just a shame it took his death to kick up the hype around his portrayal of Joker...

 

[jt04]

Batman Begins did $372 million world wide, $205 million of which was domestic.. Dark Knight did $1 billion world wide, half of which was domestic... Dark Knights opening weekend was $158 million, compared to $48 million for Batman Begins...

So, yes, I will stand by my opinion that Dark Knight's massive numbers were helped along because of Heath Ledger (and the fact that there was really no competition for 6 weeks)...

Don't get me wrong here... Dark Knight is a fantastic movie, one of my top 5 favorites... I went to see it three times in the theaters and I never go to see a movie that many times... But, the unfortunate death of Heath Ledger hyped the movie more... And to be honest, the hype around his performance was totally justified... He has been the best Joker so far... When WB reboots Batman in a few years, the studio will have a difficult time with the next Joker because of Heath's performance...It is just a shame it took his death to kick up the hype around his portrayal of Joker...

Disagree.

A lot of folks would have thought of the new Batman movies as just a further extension of the campy television or rather contrived movie series of the 80's and 90's. Those were marked by casting different actors and a continually decreasing level of quality.

The newest version had to overcome this negativie image. It likely could not do that until it was released on DVD and to a much much wider audience. So that by the time the second movie was released movie goers understood this was an entirely different and compelling version of the story.

I believe we are seeing evidence of this now with the buzz surrounding the newest movie. Tickets went on sale recently for midnight screenings and sold out immediately. The demand is up there with the numbers they saw for The Avengers. And Heath Ledger has been confirmed not to be in this version through cinematic tricks or flashback scenes.

So, the Ledger tragedy and his Joker role are not the reason for the Dark Knight's success. It is a theory that many have but carries no water. Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker was largely responsible for the success of that Batman series and I think that is what people are projecting on to the new series. Sorry to contradict you but it is one of the weaker theories out there. And there are many.

 

[flynnibus]

Batman Begins did $372 million world wide, $205 million of which was domestic.. Dark Knight did $1 billion world wide, half of which was domestic... Dark Knights opening weekend was $158 million, compared to $48 million for Batman Begins...

So, yes, I will stand by my opinion that Dark Knight's massive numbers were helped along because of Heath Ledger (and the fact that there was really no competition for 6 weeks)...

Helped? Sure to an extent.. it's press about the film. But people didn't like the film because it was the guy's last film. They liked the film. The death of HL was just a sidenote and not the fuel for the film. When the Bluray came out, HL was long gone, yet it was still a blockbuster.

Nolan, Bale, and the 'dark knight' tone for the films is the primary fuel of these films. HL's performance was a massive part of the second film's success... not his death.

Press around HL's death did not artificially triple the film's take, and the lack of such press will not hinder the next film.

 

[Tim_4]

Bale, and the 'dark knight' tone for the films is the primary fuel of these films. HL's performance was a massive part of the second film's success... not his death.

Press around HL's death did not artificially triple the film's take, and the lack of such press will not hinder the next film.

You contradict yourself a bit there. The Joker WAS a major part of The Dark Knight's success. I agree with you that the death was a minor player, if a player at all. BUT, even though the lack of the press from a death won't hurt Dark Knight Rises, the lack of such a compelling villain on that scale might.

 

[WDWmazprty]

The Avengers Passes $1 Billion Mark Worldwide in 19 Days! ...

The Avengers Passes $1 Billion Mark Worldwide in 19 Days!


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90194


Source: ComingSoon.net

May 13, 2012



Walt Disney Pictures reports that Marvel's The Avengers is expected to cross the $1 billion global box office mark today on its 19th day of release! It will be the first Marvel film and fifth Disney release to reach $1 billion.

Domestically, the Joss Whedon action adventure added $103.2 million, which is the first time in history a film has crossed the $100 million mark its second weekend. Last weekend, the film set the opening weekend record with $207.4 million. Internationally, "The Avengers" earned $95.4 million this weekend. The film has earned an estimated $373.2 million now in North America and $628.9 million overseas for a worldwide total of $1,002.1 million.

That means in just 19 days, the $220 million-budgeted film has surpassed The Dark Knight's $1,001.9 million and has climbed to the 11th spot on the all-time worldwide list. It's also the fastest film to reach the $200 million mark domestically in three days, the fastest to reach $300 million in nine days, it has the highest Saturday ($69.5 million) and Sunday ($57 million) totals of all time, and the second-biggest single-day gross of all time ($80.8 million).

Internationally, "The Avengers" began opening April 25 and is the biggest opening weekend of all time in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Central America, Peru, Bolivia, Hong Kong, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, and United Arab Emirates. "The Avengers" has now opened in all major markets except Japan (August 17).

"We're obviously thrilled with the global success of 'The Avengers,'" said Robert A. Iger, Disney�s Chairman and CEO. "It's a fantastic movie and an extraordinary franchise that will continue with more great stories and compelling characters for years to come."

On May 8, Disney announced that a sequel to Marvel's The Avengers was in development, following last month's announcement that a follow-up to 2011's Captain America: The First Avenger will be released April 4, 2014. A sequel to last summer's Thor is scheduled for release November 15, 2013, and the third installment of the hit "Iron Man" series, which has earned over $1.2 billion worldwide, will arrive in theaters May 3, 2013.

Opening in second place domestically was Tim Burton's Dark Shadows, which earned an estimated $28.2 million from 3,755 theaters. Starring Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer, Helena Bonham Carter, Jackie Earle Haley, Jonny Lee Miller, Eva Green, Chlo� Grace Moretz, Bella Heathcote and Gully McGrath, Warner Bros.' big screen adaptation cost about $150 million to make.

Third place belonged to Screen Gems' Think Like a Man, which added $6.3 million for a total of $81.9 million after three weeks.

 

[flynnibus]

You contradict yourself a bit there. The Joker WAS a major part of The Dark Knight's success. I agree with you that the death was a minor player, if a player at all.

Which is what the discussion tangent was about. So I don't see how that is contradicting myself. The point was made by dxer07002 that the DK success was fueled by Heath's death, rather than acknowledging it was the film that made it such a blockbuster.

I get what you are saying about the need for such strong performances... but Nolan's Batman hasn't been predicated on having Heath's performance. The prior movie was good and successful, the second movie was even better, setting high expectations for the third.

To infer the movie is crippled in comparison because it doesn't have a lead actor dying before the movie opens is stupid. Don't we forget almost every major action film changes it's villians film to film?

Let's not forget Heath did not create the story, the plot, the script, the cinematography, the directing, the music, etc.

The DK wasn't a fluke based on Heath's death - it was a strong film that got extra attention due to his death. I don't see any contradiction there at all.

The next film has a lot going for it based on all the other factors that have made the other films successful.

 

[unkadug]

And, by the way, the film was NOT Heath's last film to be released either.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Which is what the discussion tangent was about. So I don't see how that is contradicting myself. The point was made by dxer07002 that the DK success was fueled by Heath's death, rather than acknowledging it was the film that made it such a blockbuster.

I get what you are saying about the need for such strong performances... but Nolan's Batman hasn't been predicated on having Heath's performance. The prior movie was good and successful, the second movie was even better, setting high expectations for the third.

To infer the movie is crippled in comparison because it doesn't have a lead actor dying before the movie opens is stupid. Don't we forget almost every major action film changes it's villians film to film?

Let's not forget Heath did not create the story, the plot, the script, the cinematography, the directing, the music, etc.

The DK wasn't a fluke based on Heath's death - it was a strong film that got extra attention due to his death. I don't see any contradiction there at all.

The next film has a lot going for it based on all the other factors that have made the other films successful.

But see, I DID acknowledge the film was terrific. I said it is one of my top 5 favorite movies. No one called it a fluke. I said I went to see it 3 times in the theater and I never do that. I bought the DVD/BLU RAY the day it came out. I have watched it countless times since.

What I said was, and you just backed me up in your last post, that Heath Ledger helped drive DK's success. The film would have done just as good, maybe a little better than Batman Begins. But DK did more than triple the business worldwide, more than 3 times the business when comparing opening weekend numbers. And no one can tell me Heath's unfortunate death, America's morbid curiosity with death and dead actors, and the hype surrounding Heath's performance of the Joker didn't help increase those numbers.

I'm glad Dark Knight was as successful as it was. Great movies deserve major success. Now we'll see what Dark Knight Rises does. I think it will do fine, but will struggle to hit that one billion mark, like DK did. I think final numbers will put it in the middle of Batman Begins and Dark Knight. Maybe I'll be wrong. But, maybe I'll be right.