Marvel's Fantastic Four

[doctornick]

As a movies-only Marvel fan, The Fantastic Four are a D-minus IP in my mind.

And Silver Surfer is an F.

Vague memories of crap movies.

If next year’s movie is great, I’ll be thrilled because I love most of the MCU and hope it gets its mojo back.

16 years ago, I thought “Who cares about Iron Man?” And then had an awesome time at the movie theatre that sparked an incredible cinematic journey.

I get it, but I truly think the Fantastic Four are a very underrated property that when executed well can be a massive crowd pleasure. I'd even say that in general the "vibe" of the FF as a squabbling family is totally in the wheelhouse for Disney.

But of course implementation is key. I'm mostly nervous about how they are going to connect this to the rest of the MCU since I think it would do better allowing it to "breath" as its own thing instead of multiversing it to the mainstream MCU right away. I feel like The First Avenger had that problem where it was too rushed to get him to get to the present at the end and it would have been nice to have some other adventures during WWII (though it worked very well for the larger story, but I think took away a bit from Captain America).

 

[erasure fan1]

I get it, but I truly think the Fantastic Four are a very underrated property that when executed well can be a massive crowd pleasure.

That's exactly it, it's all about how well the film is executed. I fully admit I didn't think guardians would do as well as it did when they announced it. Or Ant-Man would connect with the general public. Heck, most people wouldn't have thought ironman would have been that successful. Anyone of marvels part one films could have gone the other way. But the films were all fun engaging films that were well put together.

So I have no doubt fantastic 4 can be great. I'm a bit unsure about Pedro as Richards but if it's done right, it has all the potential on the world.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Your incorrect memory of the world is sad.

If the only way your ideology makes sense is if you pretend well-documented historical events never happened, perhaps it’s time to question your ideology.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I don't base my perception of the world on a few fringe idiots that don't matter and never did matter. It's a pessimistic, dangerous, and grossly misinformed way to base ones idealogy.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't base my perception of the world on a few fringe idiots that don't matter and never did matter. It's a pessimistic, dangerous, and grossly misinformed way to base ones idealogy.

Yes, you ignore things that are inconvenient or uncomfortable for you. Fantasy is always easier. That's why superhero movies are so much fun. But it's incredibly destructive to pretend fantasy is reality.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

It's not ignoring, it's not focusing on defining my beliefs by them. I don't have a malicious view of the world like you do.

We're beyond such disgusting topics as the ones you focus on all the time but people like you hold us back as you use them in a veiled attempt to badmouth others.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's not ignoring, it's not focusing on defining my beliefs by them. I don't have a malicious view of the world like you do.

We're beyond such disgusting topics as the ones you focus on all the time but people like you hold us back as you use them in a veiled attempt to badmouth others.

I’m tremendously optimistic about this country. Part of that optimism is acknowledging the dark, broken parts of our history where we have failed to live up to our founding ideals and seeking to do better in the future. Ignoring that history, engaging in the tremendous bad faith of pretending it is “malicious” to acknowledge it, isn’t optimism, it’s deception often born out of a desire to perpetuate those negative aspects, to shield them from criticism.

Anyway, on the topic of optimism, we got a selection from the FF soundtrack at D23. I love it. One of my quibbles with the MCU is the lack of great character themes… we need more stuff like this.