Marvel's Fantastic Four

[Casper Gutman]

Except nobody cared when they made Nick Fury black. Or Heimdall (which is hilarious in light of Norse mythology). Or the Ancient One being a white woman (which is hilarious in light of the fact that Marvel was falling all over itself at that point to find an asian hero character - there was some eye-rolling because people could see where Marvel was headed with all of this, but nobody cared about the character so it was basically shoulder shrugged). Or the Mandarin vaguely-arab (fans hated the "he was really an British actor" reveal, but not that an academy award winner was being cast to play a middle-eastern terrorist leader).

That said, the Silver Surfer has been a man for sixty years. Nobody would have cared if this woman was cast to play Frankie Raye. And nobody would care if they were using a Shalla-Bal - the Silver Surfer's non-cosmic powered girlfriend - in a film where Norin Radd becomes the Silver Surfer. The gripe is that they are replacing Norin Radd/Silver Surfer with a woman because Disney can't help itself. And the reason the gripe will hold water is because it is true.

For what it is worth, it is exactly this same approach that has crippled the comic book industry for a decade (replacing beloved characters with 50-60 years of history) with DEI replacements that nobody cares about (rather than creating black, or female, or asian, or gay characters that people do care about) - Jane Foster Thor, Sam Wilson Captain America, Amadeus Cho Hulk, Riri Williams Iron Man, etc.

Your history is way off. A lot of quite awful people absolutely lost their minds over a Black Heimdall. It was a precursor to a great deal of what we’re suffering through now. It didn’t reach the same level of media saturation, however, because the national debate hadn’t fully shifted to cultural issues and the many powerful people now pushing anti-Disney outrage weren’t yet in a position to profit from it. The fact that you are convinced “fans hated” the Iron Man 3 Mandarin twist, a clever and insightful bit of plotting that was quite well received, illustrates the info bubble you’ve encased yourself within.

You didn’t challenge my general point, of course, you confirmed it with the “DEI replacement” nonsense, a term that carries all sorts of odious assumptions we won’t discuss here. Contrary to your claims, the Foster, Wilson, and Cho versions were all very well-received, with the Foster-Thor run in particular being one of the most critically acclaimed periods in the characters history. It’s so odd that you didn’t complain about Wally West or Bart Allen becoming the Flash, or Kyle Rainier becoming Green Lantern, or Tim Drake or Damian Wayne becoming Robin…

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Your history is way off. A lot of quite awful people absolutely lost their minds over a Black Heimdall. It was a precursor to a great deal of what we’re suffering through now. It didn’t reach the same level of media saturation, however, because the national debate hadn’t fully shifted to cultural issues and the many powerful people now pushing anti-Disney outrage weren’t yet in a position to profit from it. The fact that you are convinced “fans hated” the Iron Man 3 Mandarin twist, a clever and insightful bit of plotting that was quite well received, illustrates the info bubble you’ve encased yourself within.

You didn’t challenge my general point, of course, you confirmed it with the “DEI replacement” nonsense, a term that carries all sorts of odious assumptions we won’t discuss here. Contrary to your claims, the Foster, Wilson, and Cho versions were all very well-received, with the Foster-Thor run in particular being one of the most critically acclaimed periods in the characters history. It’s so odd that you didn’t complain about Wally West or Bart Allen becoming the Flash, or Kyle Rainier becoming Green Lantern, or Tim Drake or Damian Wayne becoming Robin…

Kyle Rayner and Damian Wayne are my two least favorite comic book characters ever. Aside from the DEI character replacements (which cost Marvel millions and helped cripple the comic industry), I think the two worst recent comic book trends of the last 10-15 years are (1) the proliferation of non-green Lanterns, and (2) the proliferation of the Bat family. I don't mind Wally West as much because Barry Allen had received the Uncle Ben/Bucky "He's really dead forever; non-stunt meaningful death" treatment when West became the Flash in the comics.

 

[DCBaker]

Paul Walter Hauser will reportedly have a role in The Fantastic Four.

"Paul Walter Hauser will be making his Marvel debut with a role in The Fantastic Four, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

No character details were available, but he joins a cast that includes Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic, Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman, Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch, Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm/The Thing and Julia Garner as the Silver Surfer."

‘Fantastic Four’ Enlists Paul Walter Hauser

The busy actor was also recently cast in 'Naked Gun.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[DKampy]

Paul Walter Hauser will reportedly have a role in The Fantastic Four.

"Paul Walter Hauser will be making his Marvel debut with a role in The Fantastic Four, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

No character details were available, but he joins a cast that includes Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic, Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman, Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch, Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm/The Thing and Julia Garner as the Silver Surfer."

‘Fantastic Four’ Enlists Paul Walter Hauser

The busy actor was also recently cast in 'Naked Gun.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

He certainly is going to be busy as he was also recently cast in the upcoming Chris Farley biopic and The Naked Gun reboot

 

[Screamface]

Hopefully he reprises the role of Stingray.

 

[Prince-1]

Hopefully he reprises the role of Stingray.

He will be back.

 

[DCBaker]

Ralph Ineson has been cast as Galactus in The Fantastic Four.

"Ralph Ineson, the British actor whose three-decade career ranges from the Harry Potter movies to recent horror prequel The First Omen, has landed the plum part of Galactus, the antagonist in Marvel Studios’ The Fantastic Four."

‘Fantastic Four’ Casts Ralph Ineson as Galactus (Exclusive)

The actor, known for genre work such as 'The Witch' and 'Game of Thrones,' is in talks to play a (very) big bad for Marvel Studios.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

John Malkovich has also joined the cast in an undisclosed role.

John Malkovich Joins ‘The Fantastic Four’

'The Fantastic Four' has added John Malkovich to an ensemble led by Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn and and Ebon Moss-Bachrach.

deadline.com

 

[Prince-1]

Ralph Ineson has been cast as Galactus in The Fantastic Four.

"Ralph Ineson, the British actor whose three-decade career ranges from the Harry Potter movies to recent horror prequel The First Omen, has landed the plum part of Galactus, the antagonist in Marvel Studios’ The Fantastic Four."

I see the resemblance.

 

[LSLS]

So they are bringing Galactus into this one. I wonder if this will be the pivot away from Kang and he is going to start showing up in a lot of other movies/TV.

 

[doctornick]

Probably unrealistic, but I hope Galactus isn't the antagonist for this film, but is just someone who appears at the end and is teased for the next film. Feels like he's too major to use for a first film which also needs to set up the heroes.

 

[Phroobar]

I thought it was going to be Dr. Doom.

 

[DCBaker]

Natasha Lyonne has reportedly joined the cast of The Fantastic Four.

‘The Fantastic Four’: Natasha Lyonne Latest To Join Ensemble Of Marvel Studios Movie

Natasha Lyonne is set to join highly-anticipated Marvel pic 'The Fantastic Four'

deadline.com

 

[Phicinfan]

Reports out that FF will start filming July 29th, the day after SDCC

 

[MisterPenguin]

Pedro Pascal Shares First Photo Of ‘Fantastic Four’ Cast: “Our First Mission”

The cast of Fantastic Four has officially assembled, and Pedro Pascal has shared the proof.

deadline.com

 

[Dead2009]

 

[doctornick]

I read that RDJ as Doom will appear here before being in Doomsday.

 

[Phroobar]

I read that RDJ as Doom will appear here before being in Doomsday.

That is what I read too.

 

[Screamface]

I read that RDJ as Doom will appear here before being in Doomsday.

At most it'll be an end credit scene.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Your history is way off. A lot of quite awful people absolutely lost their minds over a Black Heimdall. It was a precursor to a great deal of what we’re suffering through now.

Your incorrect memory of the world is sad.

 

[bwr827]

As a movies-only Marvel fan, The Fantastic Four are a D-minus IP in my mind.

And Silver Surfer is an F.

Vague memories of crap movies.

If next year’s movie is great, I’ll be thrilled because I love most of the MCU and hope it gets its mojo back.

16 years ago, I thought “Who cares about Iron Man?” And then had an awesome time at the movie theatre that sparked an incredible cinematic journey.