Marvel Studios' Avengers: Doomsday

[Disney Irish]

Because to me it feels like Disney is desperate and afraid any of the new characters from Phase 4, which they should be expanding more on, are not going to help this movie be a hit and that they’re afraid new characters don’t sell as well like the old guard does.

Basically, they’re afraid to move forward.

Well first we don't know exactly which character he is going to be playing. He very well could be playing a new character just like Downey is with Doom, so other than another actor returning this isn't the "old guard".

Also I'm not sure what you mean they aren't using any of the new characters from Phase 4? I mean we just had Agatha All Along, we're getting Capt 4, Shang Chi 2 is in development, not to mention that Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop and a few others are rumored to be in one if not both of the Avengers movies.

So they are using the Phase 4 characters, it just hasn't been as quick as some would like. So they aren't afraid to move forward.

 

[Prince-1]

Because to me it feels like Disney is desperate and afraid any of the new characters from Phase 4, which they should be expanding more on, are not going to help this movie be a hit and that they’re afraid new characters don’t sell as well like the old guard does.

Basically, they’re afraid to move forward.

Hate to rain on your parade but all of the new and shiny Marvel characters will be in the next Avengers movies. You can bet on it. But you are right that the new characters won’t be as popular as Iron Man, Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. Those are the A-list Marvel characters and what we are getting now are B-list or below. Also the actors portraying the new characters aren’t nearly as famous.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Hate to rain on your parade but all of the new and shiny Marvel characters will be in the next Avengers movies. You can bet on it. But you are right that the new characters won’t be as popular as Iron Man, Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. Those are the A-list Marvel characters and what we are getting now are B-list or below. Also the actors portraying the new characters aren’t nearly as famous.

I will only accept this if we see Deadpool in both Avengers movies, too, since we need to see him team up with Thor and find out why he was crying over his weakened body on the monitors of the TVA.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Hate to rain on your parade but all of the new and shiny Marvel characters will be in the next Avengers movies. You can bet on it. But you are right that the new characters won’t be as popular as Iron Man, Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. Those are the A-list Marvel characters and what we are getting now are B-list or below. Also the actors portraying the new characters aren’t nearly as famous.

Spider-Man and Hulk are A-List. The other pre-Infinity War MCU characters range between B and D-List. Newer characters are mostly C and D, with the exception of the Fantastic Four, who sort of hover between B and A depending on the era.

Anyone who didn’t see Evans and Downey returning doesn’t read a lot of comics.

 

[doctornick]

I'm so tired of multiverses (and time travel) already. It's a stupid gimmick - fine in No Way Home as a one off but now it is just bogging down the entire MCU. And sucks for casuals as it makes it way too complicated.

I didn't mind the use in Deadpool & Wolverine only because it basically mocking the concept.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm so tired of multiverses (and time travel) already. It's a stupid gimmick - fine in No Way Home as a one off but now it is just bogging down the entire MCU. And sucks for casuals as it makes it way too complicated.

I didn't mind the use in Deadpool & Wolverine only because it basically mocking the concept.

Well good thing its coming to an end here over the next several movies.

 

[Prince-1]

Spider-Man and Hulk are A-List. The other pre-Infinity War MCU characters range between B and D-List. Newer characters are mostly C and D, with the exception of the Fantastic Four, who sort of hover between B and A depending on the era.

Anyone who didn’t see Evans and Downey returning doesn’t read a lot of comics.

You left out Iron Man and Captain America as A-list characters. And yes the others range from B to Q.

 

[Prince-1]

I will only accept this if we see Deadpool in both Avengers movies, too, since we need to see him team up with Thor and find out why he was crying over his weakened body on the monitors of the TVA.

Deadpool was obviously crying over Thor because they had a torrid love affair and it ended very suddenly and Deadpool still had strong feelings for Thor.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Deadpool was obviously crying over Thor because they had a torrid love affair and it ended very suddenly and Deadpool still had strong feelings for Thor.

I doubt that’s the reason why.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You left out Iron Man and Captain America as A-list characters. And yes the others range from B to Q.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is what made them A-list characters.

 

[Prince-1]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is what made them A-list characters.

I disagree. In the marvel comics they were already A-listers. They just got bigger once the MCU happened.

 

[erasure fan1]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is what made them A-list characters.

I agree. They were solid B in my opinion. But the mcu put them on a whole new level. There's a reason marvel still had the rights to Iron man, Cap and Thor to start the mcu.

 

[LSLS]

I disagree. In the marvel comics they were already A-listers. They just got bigger once the MCU happened.

Are we talking among comic fans, or among the casual fans? Cause I would agree with others they were not A listers to the common person. In fact, I'd say Hulk probably wasn't either. I think the A list in the early 2000s really were Spiderman and the X-Men. I think Hulk, F4, Iron Man, Captain America, etc. all were more in the next tier down. But they did an incredible job elevating them up. And elevating everyone up. Guardians for the common person were near the bottom as I would guess they were some of the least known characters to get into the MCU, and they are definitely way up there now.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I disagree. In the marvel comics they were already A-listers. They just got bigger once the MCU happened.

As Erasure points out, Marvel retained the film rights to Cap and Tony BECAUSE they were B-list. The Marvel A-List prior to the MCU was Spidey, Hulk, the X-Men... and that's pretty much it.

PS: Hulk had had a successful live action TV series (the only Marvel character to do so) and was firmly planted in the popular zeitgeist. He wasn't at the level of the X-Men or Spidey, but he was close.

 

[LSLS]

As Erasure points out, Marvel retained the film rights to Cap and Tony BECAUSE they were B-list. The Marvel A-List prior to the MCU was Spidey, Hulk, the X-Men... and that's pretty much it.

PS: Hulk had had a successful live action TV series (the only Marvel character to do so) and was firmly planted in the popular zeitgeist. He wasn't at the level of the X-Men or Spidey, but he was close.

See, I'd argue that it was long enough ago that I don't think the people into superhero movies and the people who watched that series had enough overlap. But, even if it did, it's interesting to think that the MCU started so far behind DC in terms of name brand superheroes. As a cartoon kid of the early 90s, I really only knew anything about Xmen and Spiderman from Marvel, but I knew Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and Super Girl (along with all the characters involved with a lot of them). I'd guess I knew the Flash better than say Iron Man as well for that matter.