Marvel in Hollywood Studios?

jt04

jt04

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Cosmic Commando said:
Find the most popular comic character, hero or villain, from any company, created in the last twenty years. Even some of the "newer" characters, like Venom or Deadpool, are over 20 years old now. Creating popular new comic characters just ain't easy. My money is probably on Hellboy, and he was created... 19.5 years ago!
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It isn't easy but Disney has an edge. Back then characters were introduced largely through a single platform. Now there are many more options. Especially film, cable channels and video games. That and Disney is willing to invest heavily in talent and content. Just like they have announced they will expand on Star Wars, I expect they will with Marvel. Not to mention, new content for Pixar. That is just how it works.

Stay tuned....
 
Bparso87

Bparso87

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Cosmic Commando said:
Bane is a good DC example like Venom... one of the "new" guys... really shook things up... like you said, even he is pretty old now.
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I can not think of great characters that have come in in the past ten years. I don't think comics have tried to much in words of creativity. When I read read stuff it is mainly old stuff. Some of the new 52 have been great but not new characters. I have not been able to read marvel for a couple years I read avengers vs xmen I thought it was bad.
 
lebeau

lebeau

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jt04 said:
It isn't easy but Disney has an edge. Back then characters were introduced largely through a single platform. Now there are many more options. Especially film, cable channels and video games. That and Disney is willing to invest heavily in talent and content. Just like they have announced they will expand on Star Wars, I expect they will with Marvel. Not to mention, new content for Pixar. That is just how it works.

Stay tuned....
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That's not how it works.

Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars because historically they have had no luck reaching out to the demographic of young boys. After decades of trying and failing to break into that market (with a handful of exceptions like Cars and to a lesser degree Toy Story), Disney punted. They gave up and decided to buy properties that already had a foothold in that market.

Creating new characters for Pixar is the norm. If Pixar stopped creating new characters, they would morph into a sequel factory like Dreamworks (and frankly, they are moving in that direction more than I would like). So, yes, Pixar will continue to generate new characters just like any other studio.

Star Wars will continue to create new characters although to a much lesser degree. Based on the fact that film actors age, a movie franchise that lasts for generations has to replenish characters. The fact that Star Wars crosses over into other platforms means there are dozens if not hundreds of minor characters that only the most die hard fans know anything about.

Marvel will create new characters too. Comic book creators are always producing new supporting characters, villains and sometimes new heroes. 99.9% of the time, those characters are tied to an existing character or franchise. 1 in 10,000 are popular enough to maintain their own book or mini-series. And that's only because they are propped up by an existing franchise. This has been the way of things at Marvel and across the industry since the Silver Age of comics in the 1960's (with the exception of Image Comics and some smaller publishers that gained a foothold during the bubble in the 90s.)

Yes, Disney has other avenues to create new characters. They have cartoons, video games, movies etc. Disney will create a lot of new characters. But Disney isn't going to invest any effort at all into creating Marvel characters that are unaffiliated with existing Marvel characters just so they can stick them in the one resort they own that can't use the existing Marvel characters. It would be crazy for them to prioritize something so trivial.

You keep trying to lump Marvel in with Pixar and Star Wars like they are all the same thing. They are three very different entities. Pixar is an animation studio. Lucasfilm is primarily a film studio which happens to own an extremely popular piece of intellectual property. Marvel is a comic book publisher which is similar to Lucasfilm in that they own a popular IP. But they two properties work very differently. Additionally, Disney owns Star Wars lock stock and barrel. Not so with Marvel. That is a key distinction which you need to grasp.

You and others like you are looking at this through a very narrow prism in which the most important thing is that WDW has Marvel by any means necessary. That is far from reality. Like a galaxy far, far away from reality.

That's how it really works.
 
Bparso87

Bparso87

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lebeau said:
That's not how it works.

Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars because historically they have had no luck reaching out to the demographic of young boys. After decades of trying and failing to break into that market (with a handful of exceptions like Cars and to a lesser degree Toy Story), Disney punted. They gave up and decided to buy properties that already had a foothold in that market.

Creating new characters for Pixar is the norm. If Pixar stopped creating new characters, they would morph into a sequel factory like Dreamworks (and frankly, they are moving in that direction more than I would like). So, yes, Pixar will continue to generate new characters just like any other studio.

Star Wars will continue to create new characters although to a much lesser degree. Based on the fact that film actors age, a movie franchise that lasts for generations has to replenish characters. The fact that Star Wars crosses over into other platforms means there are dozens if not hundreds of minor characters that only the most die hard fans know anything about.

Marvel will create new characters too. Comic book creators are always producing new supporting characters, villains and sometimes new heroes. 99.9% of the time, those characters are tied to an existing character or franchise. 1 in 10,000 are popular enough to maintain their own book or mini-series. And that's only because they are propped up by an existing franchise. This has been the way of things at Marvel and across the industry since the Silver Age of comics in the 1960's (with the exception of Image Comics and some smaller publishers that gained a foothold during the bubble in the 90s.)

Yes, Disney has other avenues to create new characters. They have cartoons, video games, movies etc. Disney will create a lot of new characters. But Disney isn't going to invest any effort at all into creating Marvel characters that are unaffiliated with existing Marvel characters just so they can stick them in the one resort they own that can't use the existing Marvel characters. It would be crazy for them to prioritize something so trivial.

You keep trying to lump Marvel in with Pixar and Star Wars like they are all the same thing. They are three very different entities. Pixar is an animation studio. Lucasfilm is primarily a film studio which happens to own an extremely popular piece of intellectual property. Marvel is a comic book publisher which is similar to Lucasfilm in that they own a popular IP. But they two properties work very differently. Additionally, Disney owns Star Wars lock stock and barrel. Not so with Marvel. That is a key distinction which you need to grasp.

You and others like you are looking at this through a very narrow prism in which the most important thing is that WDW has Marvel by any means necessary. That is far from reality. Like a galaxy far, far away from reality.

That's how it really works.
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The thing with Disney is the seen to be a step behinde everyone. So they buy these properties so they don't have to worry about it. They have a steady company that has good things and tradition. But when was the last time Disney was cutting edge. Pixar was cutting edge but I think it lost it momentum with sequels like cars two. Look at there new game infinity I believe it is. All it is is a knock off of skylander with well known characters. I think Disney would be in trouble if it was the foundation that walt built was gone. I know I love Disney from my childhood bc my mom loved and so on. If a gap leaves Disney could they be in trouble no bc they know have two huge franchises.
 
jt04

jt04

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lebeau said:
That's not how it works.

Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars because historically they have had no luck reaching out to the demographic of young boys. After decades of trying and failing to break into that market (with a handful of exceptions like Cars and to a lesser degree Toy Story), Disney punted. They gave up and decided to buy properties that already had a foothold in that market.

Creating new characters for Pixar is the norm. If Pixar stopped creating new characters, they would morph into a sequel factory like Dreamworks (and frankly, they are moving in that direction more than I would like). So, yes, Pixar will continue to generate new characters just like any other studio.

Star Wars will continue to create new characters although to a much lesser degree. Based on the fact that film actors age, a movie franchise that lasts for generations has to replenish characters. The fact that Star Wars crosses over into other platforms means there are dozens if not hundreds of minor characters that only the most die hard fans know anything about.

Marvel will create new characters too. Comic book creators are always producing new supporting characters, villains and sometimes new heroes. 99.9% of the time, those characters are tied to an existing character or franchise. 1 in 10,000 are popular enough to maintain their own book or mini-series. And that's only because they are propped up by an existing franchise. This has been the way of things at Marvel and across the industry since the Silver Age of comics in the 1960's (with the exception of Image Comics and some smaller publishers that gained a foothold during the bubble in the 90s.)

Yes, Disney has other avenues to create new characters. They have cartoons, video games, movies etc. Disney will create a lot of new characters. But Disney isn't going to invest any effort at all into creating Marvel characters that are unaffiliated with existing Marvel characters just so they can stick them in the one resort they own that can't use the existing Marvel characters. It would be crazy for them to prioritize something so trivial.

You keep trying to lump Marvel in with Pixar and Star Wars like they are all the same thing. They are three very different entities. Pixar is an animation studio. Lucasfilm is primarily a film studio which happens to own an extremely popular piece of intellectual property. Marvel is a comic book publisher which is similar to Lucasfilm in that they own a popular IP. But they two properties work very differently. Additionally, Disney owns Star Wars lock stock and barrel. Not so with Marvel. That is a key distinction which you need to grasp.

You and others like you are looking at this through a very narrow prism in which the most important thing is that WDW has Marvel by any means necessary. That is far from reality. Like a galaxy far, far away from reality.

That's how it really works.
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Happy to see you slowly moving my way.

Rumor has it Disney owned Marvel has reacquired film rights to Daredevil and will soon on Ghost Rider per BSD.
 
lebeau

lebeau

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jt04 said:
Happy to see you slowly moving my way.

Rumor has it Disney owned Marvel has reacquired film rights to Daredevil and will soon on Ghost Rider per BSD.
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Holy selective reading, Batman! If you took away that I was agreeing with you in anyway, you need to take a reading comprehension class. I write seven paragraphs carefully explaining how wrong you are and you spotlight the three sentences that you think prove your point?

Please, for your own good, re-read what I wrote. Re-read it until it sinks in. Tape record yourself reading it and play it back at night while you sleep. Maybe then, you will begin to see the error of your ways.

Yes, it's true. Disney/Marvel has reacquired some of their unwanted film rights. Fox tried like hell to get a Daredevil movie into production so they could retain the rights. But at the end of the day, they probably made the right call letting them go. A solo Daredevil movie is a tough sell.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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jt04 said:
It isn't easy but Disney has an edge. Back then characters were introduced largely through a single platform. Now there are many more options. Especially film, cable channels and video games. That and Disney is willing to invest heavily in talent and content. Just like they have announced they will expand on Star Wars, I expect they will with Marvel. Not to mention, new content for Pixar. That is just how it works.

Stay tuned....
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But don't hold your breath.
 
Bparso87

Bparso87

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Did anyone see that some of the actors in the avengers might not be back due to pay. They are trying to only give them a 500,000 dollars raise. I know that they will work it out but I hear a lot about how ppl don't like to work for marvel.
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Bparso87 said:
Did anyone see that some of the actors in the avengers might not be back due to pay. They are trying to only give them a 500,000 dollars raise. I know that they will work it out but I hear a lot about how ppl don't like to work for marvel.
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I'd be more than happy to work for 500,000 for one film.
 
jt04

jt04

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unkadug said:
But don't hold your breath.
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Here is a summary...

Disney has proven it wants sole rights to Marvel characters. Probably no rush on Spidey as long as the franchise generates free money. What is good for Sony is good for the mouse. However if Sony begins to stumble on the IP, then anything could happen.

MSHI may not prove to be in Uni's interests to maintain. Depending on how Transformers does at Universal Studios. If it is a cash cow (and I think it will be!) I could see the franchise taking over MSHI. Unless Universal is against featuring the same franchise in both parks. Oh, wait. ;)

I do not expect Marvel within WDW's parks anytime soon. But only because Pixar and Star Wars would likely provide much better ROI. My only point is Marvel can be featured at WDW parks under the right conditions.

With the classic Marvel characters doing so well within the film division, I do not think they will be looking for new content there. However, I could see new Marvel IP showing up on cable and video games and then much later as films. And also in the parks.

There you have it. My opinion unfiltered from my critics.



IMO.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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jt04 said:
Here is a summary...

Disney has proven it wants sole rights to Marvel characters. Probably no rush on Spidey as long as the franchise generates free money. What is good for Sony is good for the mouse. However if Sony begins to stumble on the IP, then anything could happen.

MSHI may not prove to be in Uni's interests to maintain. Depending on how Transformers does at Universal Studios. If it is a cash cow (and I think it will be!) I could see the franchise taking over MSHI. Unless Universal is against featuring the same franchise in both parks. Oh, wait. ;)
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Disney essentially gave up the film rights to Spider-Man.

The success of Transformers is already known in two markets.
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Bparso87 said:
U didn't answer the ? Will it make the same money with all new charcters
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My guess...yes it would...the hook has already been set so to speak in the fanbase and the IP will outlast the popularity of any of today's "A" list actors.
 
Bparso87

Bparso87

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unkadug said:
My guess...yes it would...the hook has already been set so to speak in the fanbase and the IP will outlast the popularity of any of today's "A" list actors.
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It will make money but not the same amount. I love the movies bc I love comics but that is only 20% of the ppl who see this movie. Would POTC be as popular without jonny depp
 

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