Marvel at WDW

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I am saying at this time there are no plans for it to happen. Not now. Not in five years. Not in ten. Like I said you might not like it but that’s the way it is.

At this time?....Could it be because Disney can't at the moment? To commit that Disney in 5 or 10 years is absolutely not going to build (or announce) a Marvel themed land is foolish. These things change on a dime. If Disney and Uni come to an agreement on this.....once Disney attains the theme park rights....its not going to take that long. And I'm sure you'll hear a considerable buzz. May have to attend WTM and ITB again just for a laugh (to see Marvel in the Disney booth).

To say "Not in five years. Not in ten." is rather naive. For all we know it could be in 7 and a half, or thirteen. Point is: Uni will not make substantial theme park investments in Marvel.......and when Disney obtains the theme park rights (for Orlando) - they will. You say not in ten years....I say at least announced within 10 (probably sooner).

 

[marni1971]

At this time?....Could it be because Disney can't at the moment? To commit that Disney in 5 or 10 years is absolutely not going to build (or announce) a Marvel themed land is foolish. These things change on a dime. If Disney and Uni come to an agreement on this.....once Disney attains the theme park rights....its not going to take that long. And I'm sure you'll hear a considerable buzz. May have to attend WTM and ITB again just for a laugh (to see Marvel in the Disney booth).

To say "Not in five years. Not in ten." is rather naive. For all we know it could be in 7 and a half, or thirteen. Point is: Uni will not make substantial theme park investments in Marvel.......and when Disney obtains the theme park rights (for Orlando) - they will. You say not in ten years....I say at least announced within 10 (probably sooner).

Okay.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Okay.

Okay.

 

[danlb_2000]

At this time?....Could it be because Disney can't at the moment? To commit that Disney in 5 or 10 years is absolutely not going to build (or announce) a Marvel themed land is foolish. These things change on a dime. If Disney and Uni come to an agreement on this.....once Disney attains the theme park rights....its not going to take that long.

Disney has owned Marvel for almost 10 years now any they haven't even gone all in on Marvel in the parks where they can use it.

 

[danlb_2000]

At this time?....Could it be because Disney can't at the moment? To commit that Disney in 5 or 10 years is absolutely not going to build (or announce) a Marvel themed land is foolish. These things change on a dime. If Disney and Uni come to an agreement on this.....once Disney attains the theme park rights....its not going to take that long. And I'm sure you'll hear a considerable buzz. May have to attend WTM and ITB again just for a laugh (to see Marvel in the Disney booth).

To say "Not in five years. Not in ten." is rather naive. For all we know it could be in 7 and a half, or thirteen. Point is: Uni will not make substantial theme park investments in Marvel.......and when Disney obtains the theme park rights (for Orlando) - they will. You say not in ten years....I say at least announced within 10 (probably sooner).

Martin has a pretty good track record for knowing what the internal plans are, I would trust his word on this.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Martin has a pretty good track record for knowing what the internal plans are, I would trust his word on this.

Don't doubt that. But we're predicting the future now. If I would have said in 2012 that Frozen would replace Maelstrom within 4 years. Most everyone...including Martin would have probably said "What's a Frozen?" That happened in 3 years time. Speculating about the next 10 years is fun....but nobody knows.....not even Martin.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of course they are going to say that........They want a boatload of money. Do you really think they are going to tell their shareholders that they are "just going to give it to Disney?" This is all going to be a negotiation. They should be telling their shareholders that Marvel has a future in their parks.

The standard boilerplate answer to such a question is “We would consider an offer if presented with one,” not “No.”

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The standard boilerplate answer to such a question is “We would consider an offer if presented with one,” not “No.”

If you're playing chess......no......that's not the answer you give.

If they came out and said something like you described.....they're ready to negotiate. And it's a weak position. The market would sell.....

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you're playing chess......no......that's not the answer you give.

If they came out and said something like you described.....they're ready to negotiate. And it's a weak position.

Universal being open to a price is not weak. There is no buyout clause that can be triggered. They are under no obligation to entertain, much less accept, any offer. At this point they essentially hold all the cards. They can keep paying their dirt cheap licensing fee and do little else while Marvel Studios continues to release blockbusters.

Disney also can’t justify the price. Their attraction costs are already out of control; throwing another billion dollars on top of any reasonable slate of attractions will only further that problem. You’re talking billions of dollars in new Marvel attractions just at Walt Disney World.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

At this point they essentially hold all the cards.

No they don't.

They can keep paying their dirt cheap licensing fee and do little else while Marvel Studios continues to release blockbusters.

But can't add attractions based on those blockbusters

Disney also can’t justify the price. Their attraction costs are already out of control; throwing another billion dollars on top of any reasonable slate of attractions will only further that problem. You’re talking billions of dollars in new Marvel attractions just at Walt Disney World.

That's exactly what this is about......price (and concessions).

 

[danlb_2000]

No they don't.

Maybe not all, but most. The contract strongly favors Universal. Disney would never get into a contract like this now.

But can't add attractions based on those blockbusters

They could if they wanted to. They could do an Avengers ride if they wanted to, yes is would not be the MCU version, but they could still do it based on the comic version of the characters. Characters like Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Hulk are not that different between the MCU and the comic versions.

That's exactly what this is about......price (and concessions).

 

[Bairstow]

They could if they wanted to. They could do an Avengers ride if they wanted to, yes is would not be the MCU version, but they could still do it based on the comic version of the characters. Characters like Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Hulk are not that different between the MCU and the comic versions.

Different enough, though, that it would come off as rather chintzy and off-putting to most visitors, however, which is likely why Universal hasn't bothered.

 

[danlb_2000]

It's not just you. The Marvelification just seems cheap to me, and is an extension of how I took the rapid Frozenification that took place a few years ago: tossing out what made a place special in order to chase the trend of the week. The Marvel movies really aren't that good....

Good or bad, they make money which is the most important thing for the purposes of this discussion.

 

[danlb_2000]

Different enough, though, that it would come off as rather chintzy and off-putting to most visitors, however, which is likely why Universal hasn't bothered.

I don't think most visitors are that particular about it.

 

[imperius]

Can you honestly stop saying they can’t build new rides. It’s 100% incorrect and been noted as such by everyone else.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Maybe not all, but most. The contract strongly favors Universal. Disney would never get into a contract like this now.

It's time decay. Was a great contract for Uni when it was signed. As time passes...not so great. And it won't get any better. The best they can hope for is to maintain it....which is not a growth strategy.

They could if they wanted to. They could do an Avengers ride if they wanted to, yes is would not be the MCU version, but they could still do it based on the comic version of the characters. Characters like Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Hulk are not that different between the MCU and the comic versions.

I wouldn't advocate that...would you? Let's build something that somebody else owns..and not in it's current state...and then we'll try to market that. Again...not necessarily a growth strategy.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No they don't.

Which one do they not hold? There is nothing that Disney can do to force the issue.

But can't add attractions based on those blockbusters

There is nothing in the terms that prevents new attractions.

Different enough, though, that it would come off as rather chintzy and off-putting to most visitors, however, which is likely why Universal hasn't bothered.

The language is that the characters must match the style guides. They aren’t the style guides of a certain date. Those documents continue to be updated.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

They could if they wanted to. They could do an Avengers ride if they wanted to, yes is would not be the MCU version, but they could still do it based on the comic version of the characters. Characters like Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Hulk are not that different between the MCU and the comic versions.

That reminds me of the Marvel 4D show that's in Madame Tussauds London...It's not the MCU Version but the merchandising version of the characters..

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Can you honestly stop saying they can’t build new rides. It’s 100% incorrect and been noted as such by everyone else.

They can't build new rides outside of Superhero Island. Feel Better? Let them stack them one on top of the other if they choose..Let's change Hulk to Iron Man. They're capped, buddy. Out of curiosity has there been an official announcement from Uni on "Legion"? Seen a lot of speculation..but nothing official. Maybe I missed it (which is possible).

 

[lazyboy97o]

They can't build new rides outside of Superhero Island. Feel Better? Let them stack them one on top of the other if they choose..Let's change Hulk to Iron Man. They're capped, buddy. Out of curiosity has there been an official announcement from Uni on "Legion"? Seen a lot of speculation..but nothing official. Maybe I missed it (which is possible).

By this definition Hogamwad and Jurassic Park aren’t getting anything new because it’ll be in the existing land.