Marvel at WDW

[Jimmy Thick]

An attraction is not going to cost a few hundred million. A land, or a couple of lands spread across multiple parks...maybe.

We're just going to disagree on this...which is fine. Let's just wait and see how it all plays out.

Attractions now, with all research, development, safety issues, construction pretty much costs at a bare minimum 100 million now at the very least, hundreds of millions is not out of any realm of possibility. Thats bigger E-tickets not smaller stuff. I would be curious how much the Slinky Dog Coaster cost.

BTW, I give Marvel ten more years at Uni before they move on from it.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

BTW, I give Marvel ten more years at Uni before they move on from it.

Then I got a +/- on my bet........I'm good. Effective date 07/22/18 or 22/07/18 (for those that have it backwards).

 

[danlb_2000]

Are you saying that Disney will pay more for the Marvel rights and subsequent development than they paid for SW and it's development in the parks?

Just trying to understand your position here.......

The money Disney paid for Star Wars is earned back through 100's of different revenue streams, theme park attractions are only a small fragment of that revenue. On the other hand, any money paid to Universal for the rights can only be earned back though whatever revenue Marvel attractions built at WDW would earn, and theme park ROI can be a tricky thing to calculate.

 

[danlb_2000]

An attraction is not going to cost a few hundred million. A land, or a couple of lands spread across multiple parks...maybe.

We're just going to disagree on this...which is fine. Let's just wait and see how it all plays out.

Read the Guardians of the Galaxy ride thread. No firm numbers are given but @marni1971 has indicated that it's costing serval 100 million dollars and climbing. If Disney were to shell out the money to get the rights back from Universal, they would have to build more then one new Marvel ride at WDW to justify the cost.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Disney has already profited from the expenditures on Marvel.

They ain't spending money decking out Iron Man Monorails to benefit Uni.

Yes, Marvel in the parks is only a piece of the pie. But it's a good slice. Has some unique frosting, some fruit, and delicious icing as well.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Read the Guardians of the Galaxy ride thread. No firm numbers are given but @marni1971 has indicated that it's costing serval 100 million dollars and climbing.

And Uni is spending how much...... on a new Marvel ride? Again...Uni is in maintenance mode with Marvel. Disney is in Growth. How hard is that to understand? DLP is re-theming RnR to Marvel. ToT in CA is now Marvel.

Are you waiting for Disney's Marvel Land announcement at DW to say......"Yeah, I get it now"?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Universal's Iron Legion attraction is stuck in R&D purgatory. It was supposed to be next after Potter, but it's not ready to go yet, so JP is next.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And Uni is spending how much...... on a new Marvel ride? Again...Uni is in maintenance mode with Marvel. Disney is in Growth. How hard is that to understand? DLP is re-theming RnR to Marvel. ToT in CA is now Marvel.

Are you waiting for Disney's Marvel Land announcement at DW to say......"Yeah, I get it now"?

So renaming attractions and building within existing lands doesn't count as doing anything for Universal but it does for Disney? Talk about a double standard. This whole notion of "maintenance mode" is something you made up. People visit existing attractions at parks around the world. The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man is still highly regarding, nearly 20 years and one remastering later. Universal can also build new attractions if they so desire.

You just listed re-working of existing attractions, all being done because of the high costs of building attractions. If an attraction costs x dollars at Disneyland Resort or Disneyland Paris, why would Disney just pay 2x for it at Walt Disney World?

 

[imperius]

Universal's Iron Legion attraction is stuck in R&D purgatory. It was supposed to be next after Potter, but it's not ready to go yet, so JP is next.

But they haven’t announced it yet so it’s irrelevant.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But they haven’t announced it yet so it’s irrelevant.

No, it'll be in the current land, so it doesn't count. Only entirely new lands in new parks count as new experiences.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

So renaming attractions and building within existing lands doesn't count as doing anything for Universal but it does for Disney? Talk about a double standard. This whole notion of "maintenance mode" is something you made up. People visit existing attractions at parks around the world. The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man is still highly regarding, nearly 20 years and one remastering later. Universal can also build new attractions if they so desire.

You just listed re-working of existing attractions, all being done because of the high costs of building attractions. If an attraction costs x dollars at Disneyland Resort or Disneyland Paris, why would Disney just pay 2x for it at Walt Disney World?

Disney has re-themed ToT in CA to Marvel (GotG)...fact
Disney has announced that RnR (DLP) is being re-themed to Marvel...fact
Disney is building a GotG Roller Coaster in EPCOT....fact
Disney has opened a Superhero store in DS based on Marvel..fact
Disney has marketed Marvel with Monorail overlays...fact.


Uni has a Marvel ride in R&D (that has been in R&D for over 3 years)...fact

Where do you think this is going?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Disney has re-themed ToT in CA to Marvel (GotG)...fact
Disney has announced that RnR is being re-themed to Marvel...fact
Disney is building a GotG Roller Coaster in EPCOT....fact
Disney has opened a Superhero store in DS based on Marvel..fact
Disney has marketed Marvel with Monorail overlays...fact.


Uni has a Marvel ride in R&D (that has been in R&D for over 3 years)...fact

Where do you think this is going?

This is a meaningless criteria. This is not the movie deals where something new has to be done in order to keep the license. Disney is reworking existing rides because new ones are considered too expensive, they're not going to just spend more in Florida.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

This is a meaningless criteria. This is not the movie deals where something new has to be done in order to keep the license. Disney is reworking existing rides because new ones are considered too expensive, they're not going to just spend more in Florida.

Ok. Disney wants nothing to do with Marvel. There will never be a Marvel Land. Superhero Island will be the only exposure anybody in Florida will have to Marvel. The Hulk is as good as its gonna get.

You don't even believe that.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Disney has re-themed ToT in CA to Marvel (GotG)...fact
Disney has announced that RnR (DLP) is being re-themed to Marvel...fact
Disney is building a GotG Roller Coaster in EPCOT....fact
Disney has opened a Superhero store in DS based on Marvel..fact
Disney has marketed Marvel with Monorail overlays...fact.


Uni has a Marvel ride in R&D (that has been in R&D for over 3 years)...fact

Where do you think this is going?

Where do you think this is going?

 

[danlb_2000]

And Uni is spending how much...... on a new Marvel ride? Again...Uni is in maintenance mode with Marvel. Disney is in Growth. How hard is that to understand? DLP is re-theming RnR to Marvel. ToT in CA is now Marvel.

Are you waiting for Disney's Marvel Land announcement at DW to say......"Yeah, I get it now"?

Sorry, you are all over the place with your posts. You made the claim that a hypothetical new Marvel attraction at WDW would not cost "several 100 million dollars". I provided evidence to the contrary.

 

[danlb_2000]

Disney has already profited from the expenditures on Marvel.

They ain't spending money decking out Iron Man Monorails to benefit Uni.

Yes, Marvel in the parks is only a piece of the pie. But it's a good slice. Has some unique frosting, some fruit, and delicious icing as well.

We aren't talking about the Marvel acquisition in general, we are talking about money paid to Universal to get the rights back. The only thing Disney really gets if they pay Universal to get the rights back is the right to build Marvel rides in WDW, thus any money spent on that buyout would have to be earned through additions to WDW.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok. Disney wants nothing to do with Marvel. There will never be a Marvel Land. Superhero Island will be the only exposure anybody in Florida will have to Marvel. The Hulk is as good as its gonna get.

You don't even believe that.

It's not an issue of whether or not Disney wants Marvel, it is an issue of whether or not Disney can justify the cost. Buying out the contract significantly increases the already high cost of building Marvel attractions at Walt Disney World.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They ain't spending money decking out Iron Man Monorails to benefit Uni.

Monorail wraps are paid for by the studio, coming out of the respective movie's advertising budget. Same as meet and greets around a movie's release.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Sorry, you are all over the place with your posts. You made the claim that a hypothetical new Marvel attraction at WDW would not cost "several 100 million dollars". I provided evidence to the contrary.

I interpret a "few" as being more than a "couple". Yeah, you're now in the 300+ million range. I think I've been consistent. GotG may be in that range. The ToT and RnR re-theme....not so much.

Every Marvel ride Disney builds is not going to be 300+ Million.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

We aren't talking about the Marvel acquisition in general, we are talking about money paid to Universal to get the rights back.

Disney had the rights originally? What am I missing here? What is this "back"?

Of course we are talking about the Marvel acquisition in general.