But that's not what happened here. Guy running away from Disney guards with an unlicensed piece in his pants, is a big deal. Guy was up to no good. Glad they caught him.
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Man tries to bring gun into Disney World, deputies say (WFTV)
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But that's not what happened here. Guy running away from Disney guards with an unlicensed piece in his pants, is a big deal. Guy was up to no good. Glad they caught him.
matt9112
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Your right.....he was a menace waiting to happen....
PirateFrank
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"Gerson walked away and the security guard located a sheriff’s deputy, a Sheriff’s Office report said.
The deputy followed Gerson from a distance, and when he noticed he was being followed, Gerson started to run, according to the report.
That’s when the deputy pointed a gun at Gerson, commanding him to stop.
Gerson then admitted to the deputy that he was armed and dropped to his knees, the report said.
“He did the right thing,” said Orange County Capt. Angelo Nieves. “He offered the commands, and the subject did obey and surrendered to the deputy.”"
This doesn't suggest "running away" from Disney Guards. He turned away from the security and walked away...and when Gerson was approached by a sheriff's deputy and asked to submit and surrender- he did so, pretty quickly it appears.
I have to agree with @matt9112 here saying that this is not that big of a deal and I am willing to wager that it probably happens far more than anyone is willing to admit around here. Who knows if such statistics are produced by Reedy Creek, but I am absolutely positive this is not the first inappropriately armed person found on property.
It seems some people (including some within TDO) are comfortable letting this be painted as thwarted terrorist incident. The guy had a snub nose revolver - it's a fairly common piece used by people for concealed self-defense. To suggest he was planning something is taking it a little too far.
The *timing* of the incident is what is the significant factor here....and Disney Parks was happy to pounce on this and allow the O-sent and other rags to make a congressional deal out of it --- so they had justification to make some needed modifications to the security procedures.
HRHPrincessAriel
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You totally missed where it said he ran away after he noticed he was being followed and only stopped when a gun was pointed at him.
Matt_Black
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Allegedly. It's entirely possible that he DIDN'T notice the officer and just spontaneously decided to jog! Running is good exercise!
s8film40
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He probably just needed to get to his Fastpass+ reservation.
Nick Wilde
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GTA V must be the devil's incarnation to that guy.
Scuttle
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I'd pay to watch that defense.
Matt_Black
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s8film40
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Seeing as how he only ran after making eye contact and stopped when asked, that's a very reasonable defense. I didn't hear that that was an issue at all though so I think that "defense" is irrelevant.
matt9112
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began to run....no chase.....so your wrong.
i would guess only charge will be conceal carrying with expired licence. if it was a big deal orange county would have said such in the report. some people are just scared of guns because.....so killy. yet cars kill more people in a month than guns will kill all year and YOU ALL climb into those =P
s8film40
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Yeah this quote seems to indicate that wasn't an issue at all. Seems he was just charged for having an expired license.
“He did the right thing,” said Orange County Capt. Angelo Nieves. “He offered the commands, and the subject did obey and surrendered to the deputy.”
s8film40
Well-Known Member
I would be interested in hearing a follow up to this story. I kind of wonder if they could have an issue of probable cause to stop this guy and I assume search him in the first place. For all we know the whole thing could have already been thrown out. The guy was a lawyer so I suspect he knew how to set himself up for the best defense although based on his actions he doesn't seem too smart, so who knows.
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mimitchi33
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Who puts a gun inside their pants? That sounds ridiculous to me, and they could get injured if it accidentally fires off. I even heard a story once where a man who went to White Castle for lunch (it could have been Jack In The Box, though-I can't remember) hid a gun inside his pants, accidentally went into the wrong restroom because there was a long line outside the men's and injured a lady when the gun he had inside his pants shot the toilet bowl the lady nearby him sat on as she peed. What a sick world we live in.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Suspect of carrying a concealed weapon would be reason enough to enable a stop. They had sufficient reason from the prior encounter to believe the guy had a weapon, being carried in a way that may be illegal.
bhg469
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If it was just tucked in his waistband without a trigger cover or holster, then yes, that is unsafe and stupid. Modern handguns are drop safe and have built in safety features that make a neglegent discharge only possible if the user presses the trigger.
R W B
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I conceal a firearm inside of my pants all the time? Where else am I suppose to? Tons of guys do. My holster is made to fit on the inside of my pants. I could also get injuried if the firearm is on the outside of my pants too so it could be considered risky either way.
Now this I don't really agree with. Im pretty sure an officer can not stop you JUST because he thinks you're carring a concealed weapon. I think that and the interaction with the security guard is what got him followed and then running was definitely suspicious and got him apprehended.
flynnibus
Premium Member
CCP gives you the permission to carry a legal firearm in specific ways - it does not give you immunity from scrutiny from the police. Just being 'suspicious' is not probable cause.. you need to be suspected of a specific crime. That crime would be carrying an illegal firearm or carrying in an illegal fashion.. the police could stop you, and you could resolve the situation if you are properly licensed.
s8film40
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Carrying a concealed weapon isn't a crime, there would need to be some sort of suspicion to warrant stopping this guy. It sounds like the deputy was working off information provided by security not his own information which seems a little similar to this Supreme Court case on the matter.
"in Florida v. J. L., 529 U.S. 266, 120 S.Ct. 1375, 146 L.Ed.2d 254 (U.S. 2000), in which it ruled that an anonymous tip identifying a person who is carrying a gun is not, without more reason, sufficient to justify a police officer's stop and frisk of that person. The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that the tip, stating that a young black male was standing at a particular bus stop, wearing a plaid shirt, and carrying a gun, lacked sufficient reliability to provide reasonable suspicion to make a Terry stop. After announcing its decision in Florida v. J. L., the Court vacated two other state court decisions with similar fact patterns, one from Ohio (Morrison v. Ohio, 529 U.S. 1050, 120 S.Ct. 1552, 146 L.Ed.2d 457 [U.S. 2000]) and one from Wisconsin (Williams v. Wisconsin, 529 U.S. 1050, 120 S.Ct. 1552, 146 L.Ed.2d 457 U.S. [2000])."
flynnibus
Premium Member
It is a crime under Florida law if unlicensed
Police do not need to assume everyone is licensed. You may be challeneged... Especially if there are other factors involved. Federal courts have ruled even in an open carry state, the police were not in the wrong in detaining someone while issues were clarified
http://www.guns.com/2015/06/16/judge-no-rights-violated-when-officers-detain-open-carry-advocates/
The issue in the case you cited was that the anonymous tip without any other observation, behavior, or evidence was not enough to justify a terry stop.
Basically - an unverifiable tip along with no indication of illegal behavior is not enough to justify a search. That's not same situation here, nor the same as if officer saw your concealed weapon.