Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Goofyernmost said:
Yea, I understand that it is different, what I don't understand is why it's a problem. It's a very well done AA and is enjoyable to see. It's harder to understand the enjoyment of seeing the caricature AA's in the rest of the ride, but, I try not to overthink my fantasy experiences.
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Really??? :/
Again goofyermonst, you're skipping the point and instantly going into the "its not bad" mode to defend Disney.

Tony the Tigger said:
That's only a problem if you want to make it a problem.
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oh please, its never about "wanting" .
 
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MotherOfBirds

MotherOfBirds

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The comical vs. realistic AA issue is rather similar to the Davis(silly) vs. Coats (spooky) debacle that took place during HM's development. They went with both, but I think you can see that the latter camp is what has won out over time, and it seems like PotC is having a similar problem, which is why later versions of the ride are solidly favoring a grittier, more realistic experience. Marc's scenes and characters are iconic, and taking steps to ensure better cohesion between the old and the new would be much more respectful to them, IMO.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Cesar R M said:
Really??? :/
Again goofyermonst, you're skipping the point and instantly going into the "its not bad" mode to defend Disney.



oh please, its never about "wanting" .
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Of course it is. It's not a problem for me because I don't make it a problem. Therefore, you necessarily make it a problem because you want to. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Cesar R M said:
Really??? :/
Again goofyermonst, you're skipping the point and instantly going into the "its not bad" mode to defend Disney.
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Again, Cesar, I don't have to defend Disney. You have to defend your stand on why you continue to go there when you find so much wrong with the way they do things. Or even fabricate problems as if they are real just to justify that anger at an organization that could turn the entire place into a roadside attraction if they wanted too.

I defend, and will continue to do so, the fact that I do not see all the issues that those of you that insist that nothing ever change seem to get all theatrical about. I'm not sure of what the point is. Is it because they have added (plus'd) an attraction with a change the overall did not change the feeling of the ride, but, made it more current and perhaps sustained its life over a longer period of time or is it because it has attacked those sensibilities that things remain a shrine for a few to worship. CoP is a shrine, but, it is one of the few that I support. It is a historic shrine. Walt and his nine old men worked on a lot of things, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't move from the 50's and 60's and become more attuned with current likes and dislikes.

Have you ever heard me defend what was done to Imagination? No, you have not. That thing was desecrated. Have you ever heard me say that putting EO back in place was anything more then exploitation of the death of a music star? No, you have not. Have you ever heard me say that closing WoL because they didn't want to support it without a sponsor was a wildly wonderful idea? No, you have not. Have you ever heard me support the closing and leaving empty all those attractions and restaurants in DHS, Epcot and MK? Didn't think so!

I defend the change in Pirates BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT WAS A BAD IDEA. I don't need to defend Disney for anything and I seldom do, however, if I think that something was improved, even to a slightest degree, by a change to it, then I am going to say so and I am going to say why. One thing that you have never heard me say is... well, you guys are in that mode because you hate any change that has been made and do everything in your abilities to bad mouth it. None of you have the slightest idea what really makes an attraction great except personal opinion. I don't have any idea what makes an attraction great. I do know, however, what I like and don't like and no number of attacks saying that I am defending Disney is going to change that opinion. You are free to not like something, but, at least try to come up with a reason other then, that is different then what it was. Mostly what I hear from the negative side is an imagined image of what the original designers thought was and what was good at the time. That can no longer be used as an argument, this is the 21st Century not 1955. This is a different culture then the last century. This culture demands change or things die. Sentimentality only applies to those that experienced it in the past when the vast number of people that attend now do not have that connection. The company is no longer owned or operated by anyone named Disney. I look back at the old Disney which was great, but, I also can drop the name of Walt Disney and say, with a degree of confidence, based his own words, that things will continue to change. He would be upsetting the hell out of all those that refuse to accept that change is not bad. We all have to stop making like Walt would never have changed that, because he certainly would have. Nowhere did he ever say... that's good, never change it.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Tony the Tigger said:
Of course it is. It's not a problem for me because I don't make it a problem. Therefore, you necessarily make it a problem because you want to. It's all a matter of perspective.
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good point.
But you still do not get that people themselves are not "making it a problem".
If you had a defective car and it crashed .. would you agree to the lawyers's " You're making it into a problem because your car crashed, therefore it is not a problem, because it is not a problem for me"

Problems can be problems, regardless if it affects you or not. your "Perspective" is merely "acknowledging" that there is a problem because it might or not affect you directly.
 
fngoofy

fngoofy

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Bocabear said:
I don't get that the fort is under siege at all...the setting is so static... A background track of distant cannon fire and shouting in the load area would make this more evident...Also the ship in the distant could be firing her cannons rather than placidly waiting offshore...That would actually add some excitement to the setup...almost like you are taking escape boats out of the fort...
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I hear you, although the model that is to your right as you leave load is pretty small. I guess they could add projection to animate it and call more attention to it.

I would bet that 90% of people riding don't get that the scene you see as you leave load is a representation of the same scene you are in at the bottom of the waterfall. Basically looking out of a clifftop cave, down to the harbor below. I personally love that they tie it all in, but I agree that they could make it more noticeable.

Now if they would just add a vid of Capt. Jack to the queue that told you not to use flash photography I would be very happy.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Bocabear said:
I don't get that the fort is under siege at all...the setting is so static... A background track of distant cannon fire and shouting in the load area would make this more evident...
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They used to have this (at least in the queue). Spanish soldiers would be heard talking about Pirates attacking and then marching off to battle. It was removed during the 2006 refurb.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Goofyernmost said:
Again, Cesar, I don't have to defend Disney. You have to defend your stand on why you continue to go there when you find so much wrong with the way they do things. Or even fabricate problems as if they are real just to justify that anger at an organization that could turn the entire place into a roadside attraction if they wanted too.

I defend, and will continue to do so, the fact that I do not see all the issues that those of you that insist that nothing ever change seem to get all theatrical about. I'm not sure of what the point is. Is it because they have added (plus'd) an attraction with a change the overall did not change the feeling of the ride, but, made it more current and perhaps sustained its life over a longer period of time or is it because it has attacked those sensibilities that things remain a shrine for a few to worship. CoP is a shrine, but, it is one of the few that I support. It is a historic shrine. Walt and his nine old men worked on a lot of things, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't move from the 50's and 60's and become more attuned with current likes and dislikes.

Have you ever heard me defend what was done to Imagination? No, you have not. That thing was desecrated. Have you ever heard me say that putting EO back in place was anything more then exploitation of the death of a music star? No, you have not. Have you ever heard me say that closing WoL because they didn't want to support it without a sponsor was a wildly wonderful idea? No, you have not. Have you ever heard me support the closing and leaving empty all those attractions and restaurants in DHS, Epcot and MK? Didn't think so!

I defend the change in Pirates BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT WAS A BAD IDEA. I don't need to defend Disney for anything and I seldom do, however, if I think that something was improved, even to a slightest degree, by a change to it, then I am going to say so and I am going to say why. One thing that you have never heard me say is... well, you guys are in that mode because you hate any change that has been made and do everything in your abilities to bad mouth it. None of you have the slightest idea what really makes an attraction great except personal opinion. I don't have any idea what makes an attraction great. I do know, however, what I like and don't like and no number of attacks saying that I am defending Disney is going to change that opinion. You are free to not like something, but, at least try to come up with a reason other then, that is different then what it was. Mostly what I hear from the negative side is an imagined image of what the original designers thought was and what was good at the time. That can no longer be used as an argument, this is the 21st Century not 1955. This is a different culture then the last century. This culture demands change or things die. Sentimentality only applies to those that experienced it in the past when the vast number of people that attend now do not have that connection. The company is no longer owned or operated by anyone named Disney. I look back at the old Disney which was great, but, I also can drop the name of Walt Disney and say, with a degree of confidence, based his own words, that things will continue to change. He would be upsetting the hell out of all those that refuse to accept that change is not bad. We all have to stop making like Walt would never have changed that, because he certainly would have. Nowhere did he ever say... that's good, never change it.
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Agree! And how weird would it be for little kids who grew up on the Pirates movies to take their first trip to Disney World, go on the ride, and say, "where is Captain Jack sparrow? He is the main character!"

Disney's big thing was turning movies into rides. Nothing was sacred – including many fairytales taken from other sources.

Turning existing rides into movies and then redressing the rides is synergistic and kind of brilliant if well done. (never mind that Eddie Murphy haunted mansion thing – waiting for the new version! )
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Cesar R M said:
good point.
But you still do not get that people themselves are not "making it a problem".
If you had a defective car and it crashed .. would you agree to the lawyers's " You're making it into a problem because your car crashed, therefore it is not a problem, because it is not a problem for me"

Problems can be problems, regardless if it affects you or not. your "Perspective" is merely "acknowledging" that there is a problem because it might or not affect you directly.
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Pirates didn't crash. The design was tweaked.

If this were an actual problem, then it would be universal. Boats having structural issues would be a problem. A perceived clashing of styles – you have to try really hard to be upset about that.
 
HMF

HMF

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Bairstow said:
It's there, actually. Or was.
Go to 1:03 in this video. You can hear a captain of the fortress yelling something like, "Pirates! They're coming from the sea! Sound the alarm!" and then a bugle sound To Arms.

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The reason people don't notice this piece of audio is because in 2006 they dropped the Pirates Overture from Disneyland into the queue drowning this out.
 

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