Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

LongtimeReader

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The work currently being done is not inconsiderable. This is far more than spit and polish I'm happy to say.
By chance do you know if the simple but effective cloud projections/gobos that used to be on all of the ceilings of the ride (and all but vanished when they added Johnny Depp) may make a return? I've rode all the Pirates in all the parks, and Florida's version easily had the most effective ceiling because of those clouds. I was so bummed when they vanished.
 

ryan1

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As long as they can get the sound levels right, mainly the cave digging scene in line, beach scene and skeleton steering scenes before the drop, and fix the water intake on the boats on the drop I'll be happy.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I hope so too. They never really went away. Just not turned back on.
Apparently they already switched those weather projection effects back on shortly before the ride even went down for refurb. I don't know precisely when they did it, but my most recent visit in May this year they definitely were working again. I noticed most if not all of the walls and ceilings had cloud and weather projections I haven't seen in many years.

One very noticeable example is in the beginning cave scene. The sky behind the skeleton captain and sunken ship is supposed to have torrential wind and rain effects projected onto the wall, but I hadn't seen them working since my old childhood visits in the 90's. All that has been functioning is the flashing lightning, but it just doesn't look right without the torrential rain projection. The storm was back on in May however. The same goes for the cloud effect on the walls after the drop, I immediately noticed that they were working again after having been absent for years (it's quite obvious you're in a fake show building without the moving cloud projections).

Given that I didn't visit WDW between 1997 and 2010 (97 being my last childhood visit before returning as an adult in 2010), i'm unsure of the exact date they had initially been turned off. But it was sometime prior to 2010 at least because it was switched off when I returned. I'd actually say it was one of the most jarring broken elements of the ride (besides the audio issues), the projections help disguise the fact that you're in a showbuilding (it's blatantly poor show to have them switched off). I can however assure you they were working again in May, I noticed and remarked how much better it made things look. It was a shock to see them turned them on again. I can only assume someone had enabled the effects again during third shift work. And I think this occurred very recently, they can't have been re-enabled very long before I visited.

I'm not sure if ALL the projections were functioning, but definitely most of them given that all the ceilings and walls appeared covered again (and I was looking for them after noticing the beginning storm scene had been corrected). They were however looking somewhat dim and fuzzy, a common problem with projectors that are old and in need of replacement (similar issues are present for EPCOT's Soarin's and the Mammoth hunt in Spaceship Earth).
 
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MerlinTheGoat

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That's good to hear.

I know of at least one curious CM who found the switch and flicked it. Voila. Clouds appeared. They were just turned off.
It's really sad to know the effects were simply switched off, perhaps even more disappointing than had they legitimately been broken. Whether someone intentionally shut them off to save money or simply forgot they existed, it's depressing. Again the effects were looking somewhat dim and fuzzy (likely because the projectors have degraded and gotten dusty since last used), but the attraction STILL looks infinitely better with them on than without. It disguises the boundaries of the building very effectively, without them it destroys the immersion. Hopefully it's on the refurb budget to replace them with newer projectors as well...

I may have simply caught it on a day where a cast member "accidentally" hit the switch. Don't know if it's a permanent thing. I hope they're back for good and that management is made aware that the effects exist and are necessary for show.

Unfortunately I can't find any decent low light videos of WDW's to provide as an example for what the projections are supposed to look like. So i'll have to post a video from Disneyland's (which is longer but still

There aren't any decent enough low light videos of WDW's version to see these projection effects. And it's still very hard to capture projected show elements even with the best camera equipment. The best I can do is post a low light video of Disneyland's version, which will give at least somewhat of an idea of what has been missing from WDW (though I do think the effects themselves have been plussed over the years while WDW's have not been)-


^Look specifically at the scene in the cave with the skeleton pirate steering the sunken ship, you'll see the storm effects projected onto the backdrop. As well as the sky behind Barbossa's ship. There are also clouds and sky effects projected on the larger walls and ceilings throughout the rest of the scenes as well. WDW has been missing these effects for years, until someone apparently turned them back on recently. They still don't look quite as good as Disneyland's from what I can tell from the video above, likely because of age/degradation and because DL's effects have continually been plussed over the years. But they still look infinitely better than nothing at all, they're necessary and the ride shouldn't be allowed to function without them.
 
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Magenta Panther

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The most glaring problems for me have been the poor quality sound and the boats taking on water at the drop. Hoping both are addressed. But considering the possibility of new animatronics, one would certainly think they're doing some work on the sound and drop (since AA's would probably not be the first priority in a refurb like this).

It'd be great if the battle-at-sea area was expanded upon. It's not bad, but it's a little underwhelming and not very convincing. If it were enlarged, and some of the effects from the Jack Sparrow attraction were added, it could by majorly plussed.
 

Djali999

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There are also clouds and sky effects projected on the larger walls and ceilings throughout the rest of the scenes as well. WDW has been missing these effects for years, until someone apparently turned them back on recently. They still don't look quite as good as Disneyland's from what I can tell from the video above, likely because of age/degradation and because DL's effects have continually been plussed over the years. But they still look infinitely better than nothing at all, they're necessary and the ride shouldn't be allowed to function without them.

Ex MK Pirates CM here.

The clouds have been present and switched on for several years now. The problem is two-fold. The boxes that generate the cloud projections are what we call ten-by-tens, meaning they cover an area ten foot square. The back of these have a very handy dimmer switch on them, and they aren't very tight, I'm afraid. Then 10x10s are some of the most reliable pieces of equipment in WDW, because Yale Gracey was amazing, so they don't get checked very often and the two projectors which create the clouds you speak of have been very dim for about 3-4 years now.

The other problem is that MK Pirates has never gotten a complete top to bottom lighting redesign. What's been operating in MK since 2006 has been a very quick patch job on the original 1973 lighting scheme. LED lights randomly co-exist with original theatrical lights and the whole thing is a huge mess running on 2 different systems.

As a result Pirates at MK has huge light leaks everywhere, and the result is that areas that are supposed to be in almost total darkness now have other lights leaking into them. This is due to the 2006 refurbishment which was a total botch. I don't mean artistically in terms of the Jack Sparrow stuff, although that's debatable, I mean there were teams trying to do work that others would undo... it was a huge mess. Anyway, the projectors have been up there grinding away this whole time but due to light leaks they've been all but invisible. Top of my wish list for this refurb is a totally re-thought lighting and sound grid. It would make a gigantic difference.

The rain effect you speak of has been operating intermittently. It's actually done with a disco ball. During one of the emergency refurbishments last year WDI was able to get all of equipment for the Hurricane Lagoon show scene refurbished and tuned up. After the refurb the rain was working great, and they even re-painted the lightning bolts! I haven't been on PotC much since then, so I can't speak for lately. If the rain effect is out for refurbishment, it could take a very long time for it to return. These devices are going on 45 years old and they're unique one of a kind analogue effects. When WED and MAPO were folded together in the late 80s a lot of Yale's original effect boxes were made essentially obsolete, so when they have to be serviced, often times parts must be manufactured to get them working again. They're really beautiful pieces of mechanical engineering.

Disneyland replaced nearly all of their Yale Pirates effect projections with digital projections back in 2006. I think they look lousy, but that's me. The few that still are original is the group of clouds above the chase scene, which are from back in 1967. They aren't housed in projector boxes like the MK clouds are, they're just a pocket spotlight shining through a rotating disc exactly like a Christmas tree light. Oh, and the clouds/moonlight effect in the Blue Bayou, that one dates back to the 1964 World's Fair.
 

ToTBellHop

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Ex MK Pirates CM here.

The clouds have been present and switched on for several years now. The problem is two-fold. The boxes that generate the cloud projections are what we call ten-by-tens, meaning they cover an area ten foot square. The back of these have a very handy dimmer switch on them, and they aren't very tight, I'm afraid. Then 10x10s are some of the most reliable pieces of equipment in WDW, because Yale Gracey was amazing, so they don't get checked very often and the two projectors which create the clouds you speak of have been very dim for about 3-4 years now.

The other problem is that MK Pirates has never gotten a complete top to bottom lighting redesign. What's been operating in MK since 2006 has been a very quick patch job on the original 1973 lighting scheme. LED lights randomly co-exist with original theatrical lights and the whole thing is a huge mess running on 2 different systems.

As a result Pirates at MK has huge light leaks everywhere, and the result is that areas that are supposed to be in almost total darkness now have other lights leaking into them. This is due to the 2006 refurbishment which was a total botch. I don't mean artistically in terms of the Jack Sparrow stuff, although that's debatable, I mean there were teams trying to do work that others would undo... it was a huge mess. Anyway, the projectors have been up there grinding away this whole time but due to light leaks they've been all but invisible. Top of my wish list for this refurb is a totally re-thought lighting and sound grid. It would make a gigantic difference.

The rain effect you speak of has been operating intermittently. It's actually done with a disco ball. During one of the emergency refurbishments last year WDI was able to get all of equipment for the Hurricane Lagoon show scene refurbished and tuned up. After the refurb the rain was working great, and they even re-painted the lightning bolts! I haven't been on PotC much since then, so I can't speak for lately. If the rain effect is out for refurbishment, it could take a very long time for it to return. These devices are going on 45 years old and they're unique one of a kind analogue effects. When WED and MAPO were folded together in the late 80s a lot of Yale's original effect boxes were made essentially obsolete, so when they have to be serviced, often times parts must be manufactured to get them working again. They're really beautiful pieces of mechanical engineering.

Disneyland replaced nearly all of their Yale Pirates effect projections with digital projections back in 2006. I think they look lousy, but that's me. The few that still are original is the group of clouds above the chase scene, which are from back in 1967. They aren't housed in projector boxes like the MK clouds are, they're just a pocket spotlight shining through a rotating disc exactly like a Christmas tree light. Oh, and the clouds/moonlight effect in the Blue Bayou, that one dates back to the 1964 World's Fair.
Wonderfully informative. Thanks!
 

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