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News Main Street Photo Supply Co. Being Replaced By Plaza Point Holiday Shoppe
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UNCgolf
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The Puerto Rican woman running the shop is a weird anachronism that doesn't make any sense, but it's A. harmless and B. going to be completely unnoticed by roughly 99% of people at Disneyland. It's token nothingness that makes no difference to the actual store or the experience of shopping there.
My bigger issue is the "stories" they keep inventing for these shops in the first place. It's nonsense. There are some examples of shops where the story actually matters and ties in to the theme -- the old Sid Cahuenga's at Disney-MGM was a masterpiece of this -- but generally the stores should be about theme/place setting and not about telling you a story. I suppose these stories are an attempted replacement for place-setting since they mostly sell the same merch everywhere and don't have much room for theme anymore.
With that said, this holiday shop does place-setting much better than other things they've done recently, like the botched Confectionary at WDW.
My bigger issue is the "stories" they keep inventing for these shops in the first place. It's nonsense. There are some examples of shops where the story actually matters and ties in to the theme -- the old Sid Cahuenga's at Disney-MGM was a masterpiece of this -- but generally the stores should be about theme/place setting and not about telling you a story. I suppose these stories are an attempted replacement for place-setting since they mostly sell the same merch everywhere and don't have much room for theme anymore.
With that said, this holiday shop does place-setting much better than other things they've done recently, like the botched Confectionary at WDW.
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Californian Elitist
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This. We should be grateful this hasn’t happened.
Californian Elitist
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Good. Don’t touch anything. Almost everything they touch nowadays gets ruined.
mickEblu
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I’m surprised but happy they moved forward with the MMRR construction.
Californian Elitist
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I’d also include the removal of the Davy Jones projections and putting some of the original audio back in Pirates as a win.
Californian Elitist
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Still very sad that we can count on only one hand the number of good changes we’ve seen.
I think I’d count this shop as a win, considering what it could have been. I’m not happy that it’s a holiday shop, though if they sold non-Disney branded holiday items, I’d change my mind. But I do like the decor of the shop.
I think I’d count this shop as a win, considering what it could have been. I’m not happy that it’s a holiday shop, though if they sold non-Disney branded holiday items, I’d change my mind. But I do like the decor of the shop.
mickEblu
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I think since you said 5 years, Grizzly Peak Airfield qualifies barely. Or maybe barely doesn’t qualify. I think the Alice and Matterhorn changes happened in 2015 so those don’t count.
The Red Rose Tavern sign is nice. Although overall it’s probably a downgrade from Village Haus so that may not count.
I really like what they did with the extended outdoor queue for IASW.
They got rid of the French fry rocks and got rid of the TL 98 paint job on Autopia. Also painted BLAB to go with the new (old) color scheme.
I think the Dumbo queue change was an overall improvement although it gave us the Great Blue Wall.
The new explosion effect on BTMRR is a positive - when it’s working.
The Adventureland re working they did to get congestion out of the main thoroughfare by actually eliminating stores and creating parking for strollers.
Bringing the old dialogue back in the POTC caverns/ the octopus scene but they don’t make up for the horrendous auction scene change.
The brick going down the center of Main Street. Although it clashes in areas where it butts up against the Hubs bricks which is a different pattern.
Operationally and for those of us with strollers/ wheelchairs, removing the curbs from some Areas in the Hub and Town Square is a positive.
Luigis Rollickin Roadsters - maybe? If you re watching instead of riding.
Jesses Carrousel. Again, can we really list this since it came with Pixar Pier?
Added blacklights/ better lighting in Under the Sea scene on Little Mermaid ride and filled up some bare areas with other minor improvements.
I think the food quality in general and variety of options has improved.
Mickey Philharmagic in the abandoned theatre? Only if Muppets was gone before 2016.
So yeah not a whole lot and some of them are double edged swords but that’s all I could think of. Oh ya, I do consider this Holiday Shop to be an improvement.
Disney Analyst
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As a gay person, it's always EXTREMELY frustrating that whenever even the slightest most subtle moment of representation is given, someone makes a dumb comment like "But what about the kids?! Time and place, don't shove it on us!".
This HAS to stop.
We want to exist as openly and proud as all the heterosexual couples represented. Perhaps if you had the damn conversation with your children about who they share this great big beautiful tomorrow with, we'd have a lot less bigots in the world.
Lord have mercy when Disney finally commits and really brings forth representation of the LGBTQ2+ community.
Also ps - that CM that made a magical moment for your child could be a gay person. Grow up.
This HAS to stop.
We want to exist as openly and proud as all the heterosexual couples represented. Perhaps if you had the damn conversation with your children about who they share this great big beautiful tomorrow with, we'd have a lot less bigots in the world.
Lord have mercy when Disney finally commits and really brings forth representation of the LGBTQ2+ community.
Also ps - that CM that made a magical moment for your child could be a gay person. Grow up.
EPCOTCenterLover
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I understand some of your frustration because I have gay family members and friends. That said, parents still need the right to teach their children when they determine they are ready. They know their children the best. Not Disney or anyone else. If they do it poorly or out of time, they deal with the consequences. Part of us all living in harmony and learning from each other is considering others point of view. Thanks for thoughtfully considering mine as I consider yours.
Californian Elitist
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The thing is, sexuality is everywhere, but it seems to only matter when it’s homosexuality. There are plenty of examples of heterosexuality at Disneyland and in Disney movies and television. They embrace, kiss, hold hands, etc.
If folks are concerned about their kids learning about sexuality, they shouldn’t allow them to watch Disney films, unless it’s Winnie the Pooh, or take them to the parks.
waltography
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The ice skating window is the visual equivalent of "History will say they were very good friends."
Castle Cake Apologist
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Again, why do you have to have any kind of conversation with your kids about it? Do you also hide heterosexual couples from them? There's literally no way to justify this belief without somehow asserting that you think straight couples are "normal," and gay couples are not. Or that a gay relationship is somehow more "sexual" than a straight one, and therefore requires some kind of nuanced approach. It just doesn't make any sense.
The weird thing is, kids are a lot smarter than adults and have a hell of a lot less hang ups. Just tell them that 2 women or 2 men love each other the way you and your husband (or wife) do. Pretty simple. Why do you think this is a hard concept for a child to grasp? It really feels like people who think this way aren't giving their children very much credit.
EPCOTCenterLover
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I haven't hidden the conversation. But you have missed the point. It is my conversation to have with my kids when they are ready.
Castle Cake Apologist
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No, I'm not missing your point at all. I've had to hear it a million times my whole life. I'm just not understanding why it's a conversation you need to have at all, and you've yet to clarify. Did you have to explain straight relationships to your kids at some point? Most of us just kind of understood how couples work, even as children. I wasn't shocked the first time I met a friend as a kid with two moms, and that was in the early 90s, when something like that was a lot less common. I just understood that Sophie had 2 moms instead of a mom and a dad; nobody had to have a conversation with me or explain it to me.
Again, you should give your kids more credit. I doubt they need love explained to them, it's a pretty universal human experience.
TP2000
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It went straight over your head because it's very hard to spot. Apparently that line about only "careful observers" being able to spot the Inclusion! in this new store was a bit optimistic.
Disney is playing the Inclusion card in the least meaningful way; by pretending a Puerto Rican time-traveler owns this shop, a story that exists only in unknown texts and unseen personas. It's a story that only exists on the Annual Performance Review of the Imagineer who wrote it for no one.
Yes, of course. The Emporium used to have a back corner for Hanukah stuff for years, but now they can move it here?
But now it's being sold by a time-traveling Puerto Rican woman who circled the globe to bring Haunukah decor to the Gentiles of small town America. Because that makes complete sense.
truecoat
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That's my aunt and her roommate.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Let's try it from another perspective, @DisneyExpert - would you want someone else explaining their views on human sexuality to your kids before you did? Just something to think about. My point is not to pick a fight or make anyone defensive. I want to be able to talk kindly, respectfully, and learn from each other.
It has to be a conversation because as raven24 has correctly said, sexuality in all its flavors is everywhere. It has saturated our society and become the defining topic of conversation instead of character and serving each other to make the world a better place. And yes, I've had to explain straight relationships to my kids. Those are complex as well. Especially in my family full of multiple marriages, remarriages, adultery, abuse, etc. (And by the way, my children are now all adults, so I've had these conversations.)
It has to be a conversation because as raven24 has correctly said, sexuality in all its flavors is everywhere. It has saturated our society and become the defining topic of conversation instead of character and serving each other to make the world a better place. And yes, I've had to explain straight relationships to my kids. Those are complex as well. Especially in my family full of multiple marriages, remarriages, adultery, abuse, etc. (And by the way, my children are now all adults, so I've had these conversations.)
mickEblu
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Well how do you define “normal?” The vast majority of people on this earth are heterosexual. Every single one of us on these boards are here because of a heterosexual couple. So, if we were to define a couples sexual orientation as “normal” it would certainly be the heterosexual couples. Now I’m not sure “normal” is the right word as that can imply a lot of things but I would say that in this comparison the couple that can produce a child by having sex would be the normal or default couple. Basically, let’s not pretend it’s all the same.