Magic Kingdom ranks as 2nd most favorite amusement park in the U.S. !

[BlakeW39]

In my opinion, If someone doesn’t appreciate a ride like 7DMT or Big Thunder Mountain, then they probably should just skip Disney and head to IoA or an actual coaster park.

Exactly, if people want only mega thrill rides and could care less about a smaller coaster then they should head to a cheaper park that focuses on large coasters.

 

[21stamps]

Exactly, people want a only mega thrill ride and could care less about a smaller coaster then they should head to a cheaper park that focuses on large coasters.

.. or they could realize that it’s OK to appreciate both. There’s no reason to choose between something like amusement and theme parks.

 

[BlakeW39]

.. or they could realize that it’s OK to appreciate both. There’s no reason to choose between something like amusement and theme parks.

Yes they can appreciate both, but unfortunately some people are never going to care about Disney style rides and only want an ultra-thrill coaster. It's their choice - if they choose to onky care for thrill rides and the speed of them,then that is fine, bur they shouldn't slander a ride like, say, Pirates or Big Thunder for not trying to be something they do not wish to be.

 

[OG Runner]

Disney fans will tell you CoP is better than Kong.

I would like to preface my comments, stating in the past I have "liked" a number to your comments on these boards.

BUT, Man this was just some crazy talk!!!! Maybe if you said Disney nuts will tell you.... Not all Disney fans are insane.
I am a definite Disney fan and I will clearly state Kong is a better ride & experience than COP.

 

[flynnibus]

bur they shouldn't slander a ride like, say, Pirates or Big Thunder for not tryung to be something they do not wish to be.

The irony is you are doing the exact same thing just in the other direction because they didn't take the same design strategy that Disney did. There is more than one way to achieve the desired immersion..

 

[BlakeW39]

The irony is you are doing the exact same thing just in the other direction because they didn't take the same design strategy that Disney did. There is more than one way to achieve the desired immersion..

I am not judging Hulk based upon irrelevant criteria, I literally judged Hulk based upon what I was told its goal was. Which is to be immersed as the Hulk. I said that it could achieve this but did not effectively as the track does not move as the Hulk would (or even could).

 

[BlakeW39]

I would like to preface my comments, stating in the past I have "liked" a number to your comments on these boards.

BUT, Man this was just some crazy talk!!!! Maybe if you said Disney nuts will tell you.... Not all Disney fans are insane.
I am a definite Disney fan and I will clearly state Kong is a better ride & experience than COP.

I think right now CoP has only one major flaw - outdated, as is most of Disney's futuristic stuff (in the Magic Kingdom and Epcot). If it were updated accordingky then it would be better than Kong. Kong's main problem is that it lacks enough physical sets. I mean really the two attractions are different, I think that they have the potential to be equal but both are flawed.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Disney fans simply don't get "Impressionism". It's "Realism" or nothing.

 

[BlakeW39]

Disney fans simply don't get "Impressionism". It's "Realism" or nothing.

Care to elaborate?

 

[V_L_Raptor]

Oh yeah, I agree that all of this is subjective. You can't value art objectively despite how much some want to believe that. Greatness of a ride like this depends on the person that rides it.

But when I'm talking about a ride, it should be inferred that I base that upon perception, as I only have access to that. Hulk is barely themed, I mean it's SeaWorld level theming and does not fit in with the comic book inspired New York Marvel Island. I have no doubt making a coaster on that "big loopy" scale well themed is difficult, but if they can't do it then that is still a flaw. Besides that, there just isn't anything that puts Hulk on the level of its neighbor, Spider-Man. Spidey is one of my favorite rides in Orlando and it is genius.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was disagreeing with the individual who read your perceptions and insisted that you were wrong.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

montu IMHO is a FAR superior roller coaster overall than hulk. so smooth and flowing it works so well with great elemental transitions. hulk gets too tight on the rear.

Well...I’m a longtime invert Fan. Montu raptor and alpengeist May never leave my top 10. I’m biased

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is why I think the past few pages are so odd.. my all-time favorite coaster is called The Beast... only at night though. This coaster is a wooden, opened in 1979.
I absolutely love the newer huge, smooth, crazy high, 90degree angle coasters. I also love flying coasters, and tons of inversions. I also love launch coasters. ..and I absolutely love 7DMT.
Each one for different reasons.. because of what they are, not how they compare to something in an entirely different style.

In my opinion, If someone doesn’t appreciate a ride like 7DMT or Big Thunder Mountain, then they probably should just skip Disney and head to IoA or an actual coaster park.

Exactly, if people want only mega thrill rides and could care less about a smaller coaster then they should head to a cheaper park that focuses on large coasters.

Neither of you are getting it.

The original comment was basically hulk was crap. That is wrong. Because disney didn’t build it, doesn’t mean it can’t be good.

Different market but that in no way negates the quality.

And the “mine train is underappreciated” IS crap. It is what it is...a nice family ride that is enjoyable but hyped to Justify a wait that shouldn’t be due to overcrowding at the park.

See...my opinion. Anyone can have a shot at the title.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Care to elaborate?

I believe it a metaphor to explain overzealous double standards by fans of a certain ilk.

 

[BlakeW39]

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was disagreeing with the individual who read your perceptions and insisted that you were wrong.

Oh ahaha my apologies

 

[BlakeW39]

Neither of you are getting it.

The original comment was basically hulk was crap. That is wrong. Because disney didn’t build it, doesn’t mean it can’t be good.

Different market but that in no way negates the quality.

And the “mine train is underappreciated” IS crap. It is what it is...a nice family ride that is enjoyable but hyped to Justify a wait that shouldn’t be due to overcrowding at the park.

See...my opinion. Anyone can have a shot at the title.

I did not say Hulk was crap (because it isn't) nor did I say a ride has to be built by Disney for it to be good (because it does not). My opinion is that Mine Train is underappreciated by Disney fans and I think it is a phenomenal ride, though a bit short. I haven't said that people cannot have their own opinions - I welcome them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I did not say Hulk was crap (because it isn't) nor did I say a ride has to be built by Disney for it to be good (because it does not). My opinion is that Mine Train is underappreciated by Disney fans and I think it is a phenomenal ride, though a bit short. I haven't said that people cannot have their own opinions - I welcome them.

Your opinion...no argument with that concept.

But about that opinion...”phenomenal”????

...gotta hear an explanation of that...

Are you a “low thrills” kinda cat? That would make sense.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Care to elaborate?

BTMRR, Everest, the new potter coaster, California Screamin' and Mummy are examples of "Realism" artistic style. Hulk, Dueling Dragons, Manta, Mako, and all the Space Mountains are examples of "Impressionism". Realism shows you the visuals the artist wants you to see. Impressionism invokes a mental image of what the artist is trying to convey. Space Mt. is no more realistic in comparison to an actual rocket to space than Hulk is to a rampaging Hulk. But both look cool and are great attractions.
The art of coaster design is very much a legit art form in it's own right, and has it's own rules. Greatness is based in integration, kinetics, and sheer awe. I think Manta at SWO is a fantastic themed coaster and WAY better than Everest, but not as good as BTMRR. Manta nails everything it attempts to do. Great queue, the layout NAILS the underwater flight of the majestic Manta Ray, and the reveal with the splashing fly by is just cool.

Impressionism is encountered most often IRL in movie scores where they use music to invoke moods and imagery. Claude Debussy and Maurice Ravel are the two most famous Impressionists in music. Here is an example.



And in painting you have Rembrandt (Realism)

Verses Impressionism, Claude Monet

 

[JohnyKaz2078]

I agree. Hulk is fine, I even might say good, but it does not accomplish its goal as effectively as Spider-Man next door or Big Thunder/Everest down the road. The visuals is one thing - but if it wants to make you feel like Hulk, then do that through lots fast turns and leaps. If it wants to make you fly then theme it to a character that flies. As far as Universal goes, I just feel bad for even going knowing that it is such a thematic mess with such little diversity.

The ride actually accomplishes that by trying to make you feel Hulk's fury that starts with the launch. I believe that the goal of it is that Hulk is jumping quickly here and there not flying (that would be stupid). That's the reason that the ride is quite intense and many people are afraid to go on.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

BTMRR, Everest, the new potter coaster, California Screamin' and Mummy are examples of "Realism" artistic style. Hulk, Dueling Dragons, Manta, Mako, and all the Space Mountains are examples of "Impressionism". Realism shows you the visuals the artist wants you to see. Impressionism invokes a mental image of what the artist is trying to convey. Space Mt. is no more realistic in comparison to an actual rocket to space than Hulk is to a rampaging Hulk. But both look cool and are great attractions.
The art of coaster design is very much a legit art form in it's own right, and has it's own rules. Greatness is based in integration, kinetics, and sheer awe. I think Manta at SWO is a fantastic themed coaster and WAY better than Everest, but not as good as BTMRR. Manta nails everything it attempts to do. Great queue, the layout NAILS the underwater flight of the majestic Manta Ray, and the reveal with the splashing fly by is just cool.

Impressionism is encountered most often IRL in movie scores where they use music to invoke moods and imagery. Claude Debussy and Maurice Ravel are the two most famous Impressionists in music. Here is an example.



And in painting you have Rembrandt (Realism)

Verses Impressionism, Claude Monet

Woah...I don’t know whether to cry or wind my watch after that.

That was deep on coasters...like bottom of the ocean.

Good stuff.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Woah...I don’t know whether to cry or wind my watch after that.

That was deep on coasters...like bottom of the ocean.

Good stuff.

There is a common misperception that if you can see big steel, that it is simply an off the shelf design with a sign stuck on it. Because that is usually the case, thank you Six Flags.