News Magic Kingdom July 2020 reopening reports

wdwmagic

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Curious that they wouldn't mention what they're using. Seems like they would certainly need to disclose this info in CA if it's anything that might be considered "hazardous."

I imagine in the future ride vehicles will be designed to include an unloaded "drive-thru" disinfecting spray area. Depending on the properties of what they use, of course.
Not saying they won'y disclose it if asked, it is just that it hasn't been announced that I aware of, or any visible labelling on the containers.
 

Mainahman

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Curious that they wouldn't mention what they're using. Seems like they would certainly need to disclose this info in CA if it's anything that might be considered "hazardous."

I imagine in the future ride vehicles will be designed to include an unloaded "drive-thru" disinfecting spray area. Depending on the properties of what they use, of course.
Isnt everything in CA hazardous? LOL I agree with you, im sure they do have MSDS sheets available if anyone asks.
 

DisneyDreamer08

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Once a ride vehicle is sprayed, is it left unoccupied while it dries? Or immediately reloaded? Were they sprayed after every ride, or every 20 minutes? What about handrails in the queue? Are those sprayed or wiped down?
 

sjhym333

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I'm curious with all the talk about low crowds if anyone knows if the Cast Members preview reservations had filled completely or were there spaces still available? I seem to remember when Universal reopened their team member previews weren't too busy but they got slammed during the AP previews.
 

Andrew C

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Isnt everything in CA hazardous? LOL I agree with you, im sure they do have MSDS sheets available if anyone asks.
Only things that have been proven to cause cancer and other serious diseases but sure laugh out loud if you like?

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lentesta

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Once a ride vehicle is sprayed, is it left unoccupied while it dries? Or immediately reloaded? Were they sprayed after every ride, or every 20 minutes? What about handrails in the queue? Are those sprayed or wiped down?

On Splash, the ride vehicles were sprayed at the load/unload area, and then run empty through one cycle of the entire ride. I believe on BTMRR they were emptying a train, wiping it, and running through the opposite side track. At Mansion, they were cleaning every other doom buggy and running them through empty. At some point they switched the every-other, to every-other-other, so every buggy was cleaned at some point.

I didn't see handrails being cleaned, but I wasn't looking. There are hand sanitizers at the beginning and end of the queue, too.

Here are the new plexi partitions at Jungle Cruise, and on the WDW buses.
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wdwmagic

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Once a ride vehicle is sprayed, is it left unoccupied while it dries? Or immediately reloaded? Were they sprayed after every ride, or every 20 minutes? What about handrails in the queue? Are those sprayed or wiped down?
Yes it appears to be the case that they are then dispatched empty, and it appears to be timed and not after every ride.
This gives a good overview of the processes - What it's like to visit the Magic Kingdom with new COVID-19 health and safety restrictions
 

wdwmagic

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I'm curious with all the talk about low crowds if anyone knows if the Cast Members preview reservations had filled completely or were there spaces still available? I seem to remember when Universal reopened their team member previews weren't too busy but they got slammed during the AP previews.
Cast Previews were at capacity.
 

sbunit

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What's everyone's take on these plexiglass barriers? Do you think they will remain permanent fixtures or eventually removed at the right time once things get back to normal? (Are we ever going to go back to normal, even after a vaccine?)
 

wdwmagic

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What's everyone's take on these plexiglass barriers? Do you think they will remain permanent fixtures or eventually removed at the right time once things get back to normal? (Are we ever going to go back to normal, even after a vaccine?)
Some of them appear somewhat permanent, and others are attached with tie clips. I think in either case, they are hoped to be termporary, but then we have seen things like this last for years.

Something that is disappointing, is that even with all the construction that has taken place at the main entrances fo all four parks, we are back to having temporary tents and fencing again. It seems that the main entrance design is always one step behind what is happening.
 

SpectroMagician

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Your argument that the park at 10% capacity not needing Fastpass is a reason we should get rid of it entirely is moronic. Fastpass is a huge benefit for people who plan things out in advanced as with the park at full capacity you would never be able to ride then without waiting hours. Remember rides have a certain amount of people per hour, Fastpass just shifts it from people who planned to people who did not. So if you get rid of Fastpass the standby lines would not get any shorter as the same amount of people would be going through the ride. With Fastpass and proper planning you can do so much more than if they did not have it.

At multiple points in the article you make the assumption that the amount of people on a Cast Member day is the number they will have when opened to the public in a few weeks. There will definitely be more people. Also Disney would go out of business real quick if they limited themselves like this long term.
 

tirian

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Cast Previews were at capacity.
Correct. As your recap properly stated, this will demonstrate the effects FP+ has had on crowd conditions; Excel-sheet theories about riders-per-hour don’t matter when real-life parks Ops are handled differently.

Thanks for the excellent recap. It looks like Disney is handling this better than anyone else! I’m tempted to book a trip before the vaccine, which was my original plan.
 

tirian

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Your argument that the park at 10% capacity not needing Fastpass is a reason we should get rid of it entirely is moronic. Fastpass is a huge benefit for people who plan things out in advanced as with the park at full capacity you would never be able to ride then without waiting hours. Remember rides have a certain amount of people per hour, Fastpass just shifts it from people who planned to people who did not. So if you get rid of Fastpass the standby lines would not get any shorter as the same amount of people would be going through the ride. With Fastpass and proper planning you can do so much more than if they did not have it.

At multiple points in the article you make the assumption that the amount of people on a Cast Member day is the number they will have when opened to the public in a few weeks. There will definitely be more people. Also Disney would go out of business real quick if they limited themselves like this long term.

Countless posts have been devoted to this discussion. You have to separate legacy FP from FP+. Please hang with me to see why there are so many complaints.

The bottom line is that FP+ was created to redistribute crowds to avoid further investments in rides (obviously, that didn’t work). The entire venture was based on a gross misunderstanding of Blue Ocean business strategy. This isn’t a fan theory; this is what Disney told Wall Street. Nobody was trying to make Guest experiences more magical or pixie dusted. Execs hoped eventually everything could be scheduled like a cruise ship, and Guests would be so happy bouncing from place to place that Disney would rarely have to build a new ride or show. At the time, DVC resorts were more important than the theme parks.

FP+ forces long standby waits at attractions that would otherwise ebb and flow as crowds moved around throughout the day. Disney does this by splitting loading docks, understaffing, etc. A common example is how Space Mt. will often limit one track to FP-only and keep a massive standby queue on the other side; yet the attraction‘s original queue was built to split crowds and accommodate high capacities. POTC does the same thing. Over the last few years, theme park experts have called out Disney for sending empty boats from the FP+ dock while the POTC standby queue is over 45 minutes long. Sometimes a local Ops lead will combine guests at a split point, but official protocol is to keep the loading docks separated so the FP+ holders feel like they have an advantage.

Back in the days of paper FP, Disney turned off the machines when attendance was low and selectively used them on busier days. FP has always been a shell game, but the old system DID work because few attractions had the service. You could knock out other rides while waiting for a FP return.

Theoretical spreadsheet numbers about riders per hour don’t matter when real-life ops purposely allow queues to back up.

The gamble didn’t work, FP+ was never rolled out to other resorts, and I hope Disney takes advantage of current conditions to switch to a digital version like Tokyo uses. I use FP+ because I don’t have a choice, but I’d rather go to a digital version of the paper system so that only headliners get FP.
 

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