Magic Kingdom going FP+ only on 1/14/14

SirLink

SirLink

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Andyjshort said:
When did this happen? Mine have always activated on first use like the Universal Flex Tickets.

Unless you mean "length of stay" passes which obviously run from your first day until your last.
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No, its a statistic that ticket brokers and UK Tour Operators have been passing back to Disney since before we had 5/7/10day tickets it is something that can be easily turned on hence Disney meeting with Tour Operators and ticket brokers last year about this and from a vague no later than 201X, to require them to switch it on as part of the buying process.

Then 14 days after first use, apart from 21 days ticket - which is after 21 days after date of first use. So your correct at the moment it is not a part of the process YET!
 
Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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Fractal514 said:
I think the ONLY thing that is obvious here is that some of us want the system to fail and some of us want it to succeed. There isn't enough evidence yet to support either point though.
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Or there's me... Who as long as I can get my Disney parks fix elsewhere, I really don't give a rip.

Two weeks at tokyo Disney coming up in March will scratch any parks itch I have WORLDS better than whatever WDW would attempt to throw out.

I encourage everyone that had the means to get out there and see what else is offered. You'll never look at WDW the same again.

(Though I do think MM+ as conceived and in current form is a horrible idea and I hope those in charge lose jobs over it!)
 
asianway

asianway

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Buried20KLeague said:
Or there's me... Who as long as I can get my Disney parks fix elsewhere, I really don't give a rip.

Two weeks at tokyo Disney coming up in March will scratch any parks itch I have WORLDS better than whatever WDW would attempt to throw out.

I encourage everyone that had the means to get out there and see what else is offered. You'll never look at WDW the same again.

(Though I do think MM+ as conceived and in current form is a horrible idea and I hope those in charge lose jobs over it!)
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I may well be doing 3 Tokyo trips this year - can't wait!
 
ChrisFL

ChrisFL

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Buried20KLeague said:
Or there's me... Who as long as I can get my Disney parks fix elsewhere, I really don't give a rip.

Two weeks at tokyo Disney coming up in March will scratch any parks itch I have WORLDS better than whatever WDW would attempt to throw out.

I encourage everyone that had the means to get out there and see what else is offered. You'll never look at WDW the same again.

(Though I do think MM+ as conceived and in current form is a horrible idea and I hope those in charge lose jobs over it!)
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+1

I'm going in September to Tokyo for two weeks....it will be my third trip and I can't wait.

Not only is Tokyo Disney amazing, as Eddie Sotto says, Tokyo itself really is like a real Tomorrowland in many ways.
 
Fractal514

Fractal514

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Buried20KLeague said:
Or there's me... Who as long as I can get my Disney parks fix elsewhere, I really don't give a rip.

Two weeks at tokyo Disney coming up in March will scratch any parks itch I have WORLDS better than whatever WDW would attempt to throw out.

I encourage everyone that had the means to get out there and see what else is offered. You'll never look at WDW the same again.

(Though I do think MM+ as conceived and in current form is a horrible idea and I hope those in charge lose jobs over it!)
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TLDR: You want the new system to fail. Got it, thanks :)
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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msteel said:
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Please people quit saying this because it is not true in general. I, along with some others have given personal experience examples of how both sides of POTC load are being used, even with an empty FP+ queue.
I cannot say that boats never go out empty, but if so it is not a FP+ problem, nor a queue design problem. IF it happens it would be because there is no cast member at the correct spot or the CM there is not doing his job properly.
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FP+ is contributing to the problem, but there certainly seems to be something else here as well.
 
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Andyjshort

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SirLink said:
No, its a statistic that ticket brokers and UK Tour Operators have been passing back to Disney since before we had 5/7/10day tickets it is something that can be easily turned on hence Disney meeting with Tour Operators and ticket brokers last year about this and from a vague no later than 201X, to require them to switch it on as part of the buying process.

Then 14 days after first use, apart from 21 days ticket - which is after 21 days after date of first use. So your correct at the moment it is not a part of the process YET!
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I'm wondering what Disney would gain by this. I assumed the 14 and 21 day tickets, which as far as I know are UK only, were a response to the "Universal Flextickets" to keep the UK guests in Disney instead of down the road in Universal, Seaworld, Busch Gardens, Wet n Wild, Aquatica.

Previously when a hopper expired the guests would just go to one of the other parks and Disney lost out.

Currently by activating the ticket on the first park day Disney maximizes the amount of days a guest can spend in Disney. But by activating it earlier ie. first day of the holiday they would be throwing away money and turning guests away.

In my case the 21 day length of stay pass meant Disney kept most of my money in August, I did 3 Universal days, 1 Seaworld, 1 Busch Gardens and 1 Discovery Cove. The other 15 days we were in the Disney Parks spending my money. And YES, over 4 months later I am still recovering. Apparently some people take rest days but I don't believe in them, I'm going to enjoy myself even if it kills me.
 
jlsHouston

jlsHouston

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donsullivan said:
In April, 2013 Disney published the page linked below that explicitly stated that this was going to be available.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/plan/my-disney-experience/passholder/

Any Passholder who has had a resort stay since all of this started has the ability to do just that now and has had the ability since their resort stay without any new or additional resort stay pending. As it has been described to me, they are still subject to the same 60 day window and can only have FP+ reservations for 7 unique calendar days at any one time. Once one of those days is either used or expired, they can book another day of FP+ reservations. This is an active capability in the system now that has been in place for many months now

Passholders who have not had a resort stay are still excluded from the advance reservation for FP+.
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This is correct. I stayed in November and have MB's from that stay. I have an AP. I can make FP+ selections for the week of spring break if I decide to go right now in my profile/MME window online...or wth it is that you do FP+ online. I do not have a resort stay booked currently.
 
jlsHouston

jlsHouston

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Fractal514 said:
I think the ONLY thing that is obvious here is that some of us want the system to fail and some of us want it to succeed. There isn't enough evidence yet to support either point though.
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I can't conclude that from the discussions. I'm a complainer of the system partly because I can't see it as a beneficial change for my park experience when I visit the parks when it is crowded. Now that is not to say I don't like being able to arrive onsite and book a few FP+'s from my phone or laptop and then a couple of hours later wander to the park and walk on to my 3 selections, filling the gaps with eating, or other short wait time attractions. But I don't like being limited to 3 only, I don't care for the tiers if I am going to be limited to 3, and I hate the 1 park per day system.
Personally I am more dismayed at the rollout of MM+ and the new FP+ system from the standpoint of uncertainty more than anything else. Removing something I know how to work like legacy FP and giving me FP+ in the current format is not a significant magical improvement. But what is more disconcerting is really not knowing what the final product is going to look like.
That is why I have been following along on the NGE stuff for the past year to try to understand what kind of change and impact to my vacation at WDW this will have. I saw some of it in November when it was in testing. And the concerns many of us have over the limitations of FP+ compared to legacy FP are legitimate IMO. Whether you are locked out currently and will remain locked out from the 60 day windowan AP holder who stays offsite or you will see higher standby lines at attractions that are typically walk on or under 15 minute wait times, to no FP+ on a high crowd day for e-ticket rides not booked in advance are all uncertainties for Disney customers.
So I don't see this discussion as the fail or succeed camp. It is more along the lines of dismay over the issues some of us have faced during the rollout, unhappiness over this kind money and time invested by Disney when there is so much else that could have used that capital, and uncertainty/fear over what the final product will do or not do for each of us when we visit WDW.
 
Rider

Rider

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I went to MK last night so here is how FP+ worked for me at MK on a Saturday night:

Got into the park at 8:45pm, went to Guest Relations to use the kiosk. Nearly all attractions were available for selection except Space Mountain, Peter Pan, and some minor things like parades. I picked BTM, Haunted Mansion and Pirates. I guess I couldn't do those all together so it suggested BTM, Jungle Cruise, and Small World. I played around a little bit and discovered that you could tell it only two attractions and it would try to fit those in and then pick a third random FP+. Using this I was able to get Haunted Mansion at 9pm, BTM at 10:30pm, and Pooh at 11:45pm.

In the time it took me to get from the front of the park to HM my time was ready so I walked right on. Did a few attractions on standby then walked over to Big Thunder. It was just post-fireworks so I got on it standby and then used by FP+ right as it became available. Went over to Tomorrowland intending to do the Peoplemover and then standby on Space but I stopped at the FP+ kiosk by Stitch to just see if I could change my Pooh FP+ to something else. Well, it offered me a Space Mountain time that started just 5 minutes from then. Jackpot. Posted standby at that time said 60 minutes and the line was out to the front but it had none of the switchbacks open in the station and they were only single loading on each side (about 30 mins later the line was down to 15 and they had dual loading).

So how did it work? Considering I didn't start until 9pm, I got fastpasses on the two big attractions (and Splash is closed so it wasn't taking some of the guest's passes) plus the Haunted Mansion one. In the four hours I spent there I was able to do almost everything (everything but the spinners or shows). I probably could have done it all if I had tried (and not done re-rides on the coasters) Crowds were not light either, even with the freezing temps yesterday.

Honestly, last night didn't feel different for me than any other night I've had at the Magic Kingdom. The only difference was I didn't have to run to Space and then BTM to get Fastpasses. I actually got more fastpasses than I could have in a 4 hour period (2 vs 3) and the times were all prompt and not hours later. I think the system is working well. The next big test will be to see how it works on a full day.
 

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