Magic Kingdom going FP+ only on 1/14/14

Lord_Vader

Lord_Vader

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doctornick said:
I used APs to be able to book 8 park days in advance (I had a 7 night stay at a resort) so I think that APs who are staying onsite can book for as many days as their resort stay rather than have a hard limit of 7 days at a time that they might theoretically get without a resort stay.
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We were limited to seven days for our stay until I complained and they unlocked it. My family stayed at BWI from 12/21 to 1/3 and I discovered this little issue at our 60 day mark. Also, at first we were not allowed the +10 days that MYW guests were receiving, it took my first call to get that straightened out.
 
orky8

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Scuttle said:
I agree though with others. Pass holders are getting the raw end of the deal. Which is bull because I funnel way more money into WDW than the family that comes for a week every 3 years.
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Do you, though? Park operations are expensive. The more days you come, the worse off Disney is. Restaurants are semi-profitable. Gifts and souvenirs are very profitable. But over-price hotels is where the real money is at. I think that generally, Deluxe hotel visitors are by far the most profitable visitors at Disney.

This is the issue we have been going round and round on here. At the end of the day, the parks are nothing more than a selling feature for their hotels. MM+ is not about expanding patronage, but expanding the more profitable patronage. Disney's parks are frequently over-crowded. They don't want more turnstyle clicks, they want to shift the clicks to guests that spend more. Increasing capacity is too expensive -- they'd rather just have more profitable visitors, and my hunch is AP holders are quite low on the list of profitability.
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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orky8 said:
Do you, though? Park operations are expensive. The more days you come, the worse off Disney is. Restaurants are semi-profitable. Gifts and souvenirs are very profitable. But over-price hotels is where the real money is at. I think that generally, Deluxe hotel visitors are by far the most profitable visitors at Disney.

This is the issue we have been going round and round on here. At the end of the day, the parks are nothing more than a selling feature for their hotels. MM+ is not about expanding patronage, but expanding the more profitable patronage. Disney's parks are frequently over-crowded. They don't want more turnstyle clicks, they want to shift the clicks to guests that spend more. Increasing capacity is too expensive -- they'd rather just have more profitable visitors, and my hunch is AP holders are quite low on the list of profitability.
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Yes I do! We always use to go to signature restaurants and were drinkers which if you work in the service industry you know the mark up value on alcohol. Plus we would always take a break in the afternoon nearly every day trip and go to bars for an afternoons breather. I've done drinks around the world many many times. We've stayed at a deluxe hotel on average once every year and half for 3 days. No question I dump 4,000 plus into WDW annually.
 
orky8

orky8

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Scuttle said:
Yes I do! We always use to go to signature restaurants and were drinkers which if you work in the service industry you know the mark up value on alcohol. Plus we would always take a break in the afternoon nearly every day trip and go to bars for an afternoons breather. I've done drinks around the world many many times. We've stayed at a deluxe hotel on average once every year and half for 3 days. No question I dump 4,000 plus into WDW annually.
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Fair enough -- but, do you think you represent the typical AP? You are a bit, unique :)
 
Scuttle

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And again those days are done. I refuse to go to citricos, artist point, Narcoosees etc. yesterday we left early and got wings to go on the way home and saved quite a lot of money and I didn't have a problem with it at all.
 
Scuttle

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orky8 said:
Fair enough -- but, do you think you represent the typical AP? You are a bit, unique :)
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I think it's the passholders like me that they don't value. Sure the day guests that just go commando and bring sandwiches into the park are obviously a problem in TDO's mind. I dunno again I'm at a breaking point. I pay more and more each year for less and less. There was one point where I thought I'd never be able to go without WDW, but that time has come.
 
orky8

orky8

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Scuttle said:
Agreed, but we really don't know.
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TDO knows, and I think we can gleam a bit from their actions. In any event, I think this has to get worse before it is going to get better. DLR was in shambles for a while and DCA was barely a 1-hour park. Look at them now.

Corporations tend to go through periods of innovation followed by profit-taking. WDW could be reminiscent of Potatoland and, for a while, people would still show up in droves. Eventually though, the value wont be there, and people will stop going, and Disney will rebuild. So, in that sense, I guess its good you are at your breaking point. As more people reach that point, things will have to change, but I think we still have a ways to go.
 
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doctornick

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Callen said:
We were limited to seven days for our stay until I complained and they unlocked it. My family stayed at BWI from 12/21 to 1/3 and I discovered this little issue at our 60 day mark. Also, at first we were not allowed the +10 days that MYW guests were receiving, it took my first call to get that straightened out.
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Interesting. I never talked to anyone, but was able to book 8 days in early December with my AP. I didn't book them all at 60 days, though, since one of the days we were going to do a pool/water parks day (so I only booked 7 days at first) but I later added FP+ to that day. Maybe that was why it wasn't a problem?
 
GoofGoof

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Callen said:
You bring up a good point, Disney can now sell customized tickets from date X to date X. The advantage you buy with the date range tickets is the ability to pre-select your FP+ reservations 60 days out while other guests purchase unrestricted tickets are limited to day-of reservations.
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They could charge a premium for the tickets too since you would get those benefits. They have to make money somehow. Nothing as steep as Universal, but this is Disney so it won't just be a few bucks either. Quite frnakly the perk is nowhere near as good as front of the line for all attractions so it shouldn't be priced like Universals, but $10 to $20 a day sounds about right.
 
Redhawk

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orky8 said:
At the end of the day, the parks are nothing more than a selling feature for their hotels. MM+ is not about expanding patronage, but expanding the more profitable patronage. Disney's parks are frequently over-crowded. They don't want more turnstyle clicks, they want to shift the clicks to guests that spend more. Increasing capacity is too expensive -- they'd rather just have more profitable.
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Amd there you have it. Excellent, well-stated summary. I think this is also why, having just returned from my/our 5th visit in the past 8 years, it's time for a break while Disney figures all this out. And yes, it's also time to check out that other place in Orlando for the first time. I like Harry Potter and my husband likes Spiderman.
 
SirLink

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stevehousse said:
So you are saying that UK tickets are specifically locked into certain dates before you leave? Details please as this is the first I have heard of this.
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No, its a statistic that ticket brokers and UK Tour Operators have been passing back to Disney and seen as it is already required by them to sell Disney tickets it is something that can be easily turned on hence Disney meeting with Tour Operators and ticket brokers last year about this and from a vague no later than 201X, to require them to switch it on as part of the buying process.

Then 14 days after first use, apart from 21 days ticket - which is after 21 days after date of first use.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Scuttle said:
I don't think so it was completely dead yesterday although pirates got to 40 and JC hit 45 at one point. It's FP+ buzz barely even gets that long during Christmas week.
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Well the wait was much lower earlier in the day hovering from 30-45mins (similar to forecast) until this hour (5pm)

Could be the 'top of the hour' spike @ParentsOf4 theorizes with FP+ return usage.
 

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