RSoxNo1
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Except they're trying to get everyone to use it now. Before with the "power users" like yourself, others were either chosing not to use it or weren't aware that they could use it.
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Magic Kingdom going FP+ only on 1/14/14
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Bryansworld
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It is going to be very interesting how this works and what changes they make during/after Presidents Day Weekend.
Fractal514
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To further explore the, can the system handle giving our 3, 4, or 5 fastpasses arguement...
While it may be true that someone in the old system might have been able to acquire 5+ FP's for a day with no problem, to assume that this in somehow means that the new system should be able to do the same for everyone is illogical. First off, in the old system there was a big pile of FP's that everyone went up and took from, when they were gone, they were gone. Assuming all of the FP's go for a day, you taking 5 might mean that someone else only got 1, but the old system didn't really care about balance.
The new system automatically balances it for everyone, and in doing so must allocate a number of FP's that leave enough left over for emergencies and special instances.
So, basically, the old system gave out 6 FP's and you got 5, the new one will give out 6 and you'll get 3 of them. If that makes sense.
While it may be true that someone in the old system might have been able to acquire 5+ FP's for a day with no problem, to assume that this in somehow means that the new system should be able to do the same for everyone is illogical. First off, in the old system there was a big pile of FP's that everyone went up and took from, when they were gone, they were gone. Assuming all of the FP's go for a day, you taking 5 might mean that someone else only got 1, but the old system didn't really care about balance.
The new system automatically balances it for everyone, and in doing so must allocate a number of FP's that leave enough left over for emergencies and special instances.
So, basically, the old system gave out 6 FP's and you got 5, the new one will give out 6 and you'll get 3 of them. If that makes sense.
Bryansworld
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Sometimes I wish we just went back to the old days with no fast pass... where you just got in a line... but the line moved constantly. The worst are the other amusement parks that give you front of the line access if you pay for it. It makes it like a class system.
Disneyfamily4
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Like I said in a prior post. My friend with Diabetes, and who also has an insulin pump, went to guest relations for the disability card. The cast member then asked her to bring in all members of her party (5) and the cast member reset their fast pass + option to allow her and her family the ability to have 6 passes per day. With the way the new disability card works, the cast member explained to her that this was the better option. So again, I do not believe allowing a person the ability to park hop and receive 3 more per day will kill the system.
Lord_Vader
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During low to mid attendance you may be right but during peak attendance such as March, June-August and the holidays in between them there were already issues with 3 per day at one park, especially DHS and EC unless you want to use your extra three for the Backlot, IJ, LMA at DHS and JII, M&G at EC.
Disneyfamily4
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She got their two days before New years with a 6 -day ticket. That is also a very busy time.
Lord_Vader
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We were both there then. MK and AK could very well handle the number of FPs but EC and DHS are another story. It was very nice for one party of guests but if everyone had that many I expect things would be very different. Add to it that you cannot repeat an attraction with FP makes six at EC and DHS pretty much useless even in peak times. We found that 3 FP+ was usable but not optimal for FP, would have really liked to have 6 to use.
Lord_Vader
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Not at all, should be a variable number based on expected attedance if you ask me.
Disneyfamily4
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I forgot to mention the tiering was taken away as well. At the guest relations office, the cast member was able to remove the restrictions of only 3 per day and the tiering. She did not have park hopper tickets, so perhaps that restriction would have been gone as well. With a very noticeable disorder, I bet cast members do this for all deserving of it.
Lord_Vader
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Not really, my wife has MS as well as a variety of other issues that limit our daily park time as she is completely worn out by 4:00 in the afternoon on most days. I applaud the Disney CM for seeing a need and taking care of it the way they did. With six/seven hours of park time available to us, with the 3 FP+ limitation we were unable to do a few of attractions even with a 14 day stay. We picked and choosed our daily rides and were given return times for the ones with non-accessible lines which negated the need for many if not all FP at SM, SpM, BTMRR, and a few others.
Something that has not been noted yet about FP+ is that even if you have a FP+ reservation if you require wheelchair accessibily you can still be denied access to the show/attraction. We were twice denied access (BatB and Fantasmic) during Christmas vacation much to our dismay, neither time were we offered any replacement FP+ at the parks.
Disneyfamily4
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Lord_Vader
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There was no more space for wheelchairs and my wife cannot sit on the hard bleachers with no back support.
disney4life2008
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The original plans called for the more expensive resorts to have more fp+ reservations while values would only have 3 (I think). There has also been suggestions that we can buy more fp+ if we choose to. I agree - in either of these situations it would be a class system.
Scuttle
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Should be, but we haven't heard anything different.
Buried20KLeague
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I'm with you on your main point... But COMPLETELY disagree with the above line. This system doesn't balance anything. It still tips the table toward certain people... It's just that now YOU don't control the table tipping... Disney does.
This, to me, is the OPPOSITE of balancing it for everyone.
PrincessNelly_NJ
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You are thinking in terms of just a few people... but if everyone can have 6 fp+ selections then you are overloading the system. At that point we might as well just get rid of fastpasses all together.
Tom Morrow
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Many of you are concerned with the fact that resort guests can reserve FP+ in advance and everyone else can not. They are only setting aside some FP+ space for advance reservations - they aren't going to allow all of them to be taken up in advance. During this entire "testing" phase, guests making Fastpass+ bookings "day of" have had no issue getting the high demand attractions provided they get there early enough (just like legacy Fastpass!), and that is with a restricted amount of FP+ availability due to having to accommodate both Fastpass services.
Second, why is it such a crime to offer a perk to resort guests? Nobody ever screamed at Universal for letting their resort guests have unlimited Express Pass service! There is this mentality among Disney AP holders that they are VIP and by simply having an AP, you are a more "loyal" customer, but as @rct247 covered, an AP ticket is nothing more than a more convenient ticketing option for guests who make more than one-two visits a year. No other park chain's season/annual pass holders expect anything more out of their ticket except at Disney for whatever reason.
Second, why is it such a crime to offer a perk to resort guests? Nobody ever screamed at Universal for letting their resort guests have unlimited Express Pass service! There is this mentality among Disney AP holders that they are VIP and by simply having an AP, you are a more "loyal" customer, but as @rct247 covered, an AP ticket is nothing more than a more convenient ticketing option for guests who make more than one-two visits a year. No other park chain's season/annual pass holders expect anything more out of their ticket except at Disney for whatever reason.
A very small percentage use the DAS card. Basing your idea that if they can allow more FP selections for DAS users means it is proof that everyone can use more isnt mathematically accurate.
Allowing more than 3 FP+ selections for guests will probly just extend wait times, not kill the system. @ParentsOf4 has shown time and time again that it simply comes down to ATTRACTION CAPACITY. Bottom line. look at what adding FP+ does for a ride like POTC. Every other boat goes out empty when there is no one in the FP line. So now, guests waiting in standby for POTC are waiting longer for no reason. @flynnibus has a good theory on that as well.
Another thing that is funny to me is now you have MM+ service centers. This very expensive, sate of the art system requires service centers. It proves that the more you involve technology, the more it requires maintenance. Its a great system...until your magic band has problems, now your spending however long it takes them to fix it at a service center. Could be minutes, could be hours. Thats more money being spent on CM's and techs to man these service centers and adds frustration to guests who have to visit them. Paper FP never had "technical" issues or required entire buildings to be converted into service centers. Legacy FP wasnt a perfect sytem, but it had waaaaay less potential for disaster than this technological "enhancement"