Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Chi84]

Almost everyone agrees that 2 + 2 = 4. There are some who believe that is not the case. That doesn't mean that 2 + 2 = 4 is anything other than objectively true. At what point does consensus become reality?

We're talking about opinions. Totally different. Let's just say it's your strongly held opinion.

 

[LittleBuford]

Palestine is governed by Hamas, as they were elected by the Palestinian people in 2006 after Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip. Therefore, I think it's fair to at least refer to Hamas as Palestinian, much in the same way that you would refer to Republicans and Democrats as Americans, since they are both American by allegiance.

If a country controlled by a particular political party/entity does something, it's not generally the political party that is cited, it's the country.

At least get your facts straight. The West Bank, by far the largest of the Palestinian Territories, is not governed by Hamas.

I don’t go in for disingenuous word games. When did I ever say that Hamas should not be considered Palestinians?

My position has been very clear: it is wrong to conflate a whole people with the vicious group that rules over a portion of them. None of us should have a problem with drawing a distinction between ordinary Palestinians and a group of fanatical terrorists, yet here we are debating the matter.

 

[LittleBuford]

I'm not sure what that would have to do with it.

Disney wants to make money from Snow White. As others have already explained, they’re not going to get drawn further into the controversy by firing its leading actress, who will presumably be called upon to promote the film. She is not expendable in the way that your hypothetical Jungle Cruise CM is.

Now clearly there’s a point at which Disney would have to cut ties with her. Perhaps she was close to reaching that point with her latest remarks, but she has since issued an apology, perhaps (and probably) under some pressure from Disney. For now, it seems, Disney thinks she is less of a liability than she is a potential asset to their efforts to promote the film. That may well change—for example, if she says something even more ill-advised in the next few months—in which case perhaps Disney will “fire” her. As things stand, however, Disney has made a different (financial and PR) calculation.

 

[LittleBuford]

Is it only the so-called West Bank that wants statehood, or is it all of Palestine, including the Gaza strip?

It's the latter.



You responded to my post:

saying:



Perhaps you misspoke in the above quote, but the Palestinian people includes Hamas, not only as a governing entity, but also as inhabitants of Palestine, making them Palestinian. My statement was that Palestinians used "the land they want statehood for to wage the deadliest attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust", which is true by your own admission. It is just not worded how you'd like.

That's not to say that all Palestinians are Hamas. That's would be an outrageous assertion. But the fact remains that Palestinians did commit the 10/7 attacks.

You’re playing disingenuous word games, and I’m not interested in participating.

 

[Willmark]

 

[LittleBuford]

Very astute. Thank you for putting things in perspective.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm not an expert on this (as you know, I've made it very clear that I'm not an expert on anything except cocktail recipes and Disneyland trivia), but how does it work when a studio is launching/premiering a big movie and needs to use its starring actress in that publicity?

Rachel Zegler is the star of the upcoming tentpole movie Snow White. She is, literally, Snow White. There will be a press tour, endless interviews on TV and websites, a big splashy premiere and party at the El Capitan or Chinese Theater. Rachel Zegler will be the star of the show this February and March. So how does Miss Zegler not still work for Disney? Can Disney uninvite her to the premiere? Can Miss Zegler refuse to attend? And at what point do Disney's lawyers get involved in forcing her to be a part of the movie's publicity tour and marketplace launch?

I'm trying to imagine a Jungle Cruise Skipper who has a social media presence and/or podcast where he talks about working for Disneyland and being a CM and doing his gig of Jungle Cruise Skipper. And everyone knows his real name and who he is outside of work, and Disneyland fans get their picture taken with him when he's at work at Disneyland. And then on November 6th he posts to his popular Jungle Cruise themed Instagram feed “May Trump supporters and Trump voters never know peace.”

How would Disney and Disneyland management react to that? Does that Skipper get to keep his job? If not, why?

I'm struggling to see how Rachel Zegler ever gets another gig with Disney after the multiple messes over several years she has created for herself and her generous employer. But that she will likely still be involved in the publicity and premiere of this upcoming tentpole movie in March really confuses me. How? Why? And why can't these movie studios control their paid talent better?

If it can't be done by a Jungle Cruise Skipper, why can Rachel Zegler get away with it?

Many here, including yourself, seem to continue to misunderstand how actors are employed by studios in the modern era. All SAG-AFTRA actors are contracted for a specific role (usually on a pay-or-play contract), not on-going employment. Its very rare for a multi-picture deal or even a "studio actor" (which no longer happens) where they working for one studio their entire career. That golden age of Hollywood stopped many decades ago. So once the actor is finished with production of whatever they are working on, outside of some appearances for promotion, they are no longer employed by the studio. This is both to the benefit of the studio and the actor, as the actor is not tied to a long term deal and free to do other things with other studios, and a studio is free to either cast them in new roles, ie a new contract, or cut ties with them and not hire them for future projects. I know this is baffling to many, but this is how Hollywood has worked for many decades as mentioned.

So actors are NOT the same as the Jungle Cruise Skipper, who works under an on-going employment contract.

If Disney was to do anything with Zegler for this incident as a consequence, it would just be to ask her to no longer promote the film and maybe put her on a list of non-castable actors for future roles. But there is no "firing" her as she is not actually employed by Disney right now. And there is no indication that Disney is even doing any of that anyways. For now all we know is that Zegler apologized publicly, maybe at the insistence of Disney, and that is it. We'll see if she is still used to promote the film come January, February, and March.

There are many examples of actors who have done dumb stuff over the decades. Many of them go on to continue to have long careers as there is usually a short term memory to this stuff. So I suspect that this too will pass and she will continue to have a career no matter how people feel about it, whether it will be with Disney in the future only time will tell.

 

[Cliff]

That would be sad. We need more female empowerment messaging than ever these days.

The truth Is that female empowerment does not take away from male empowerment. They can exist in a story in equal measure. Disney found that balance in The Little Mermaid. Prince Eric had his own life and goals apart from Ariel’s, and she accompanied him in the end on a journey to achieve them.

Also, there is a beautiful depiction of a strong, protective father.

No, Mom didn't zap it....I did. ;-)

 

[Bullseye1967]

Almost all of the moderation here is undertaken by one person, @The Mom, who isn’t paid for her work and has a life beyond these boards. I just checked her activity and see she hasn’t posted anything for days. So rather than assume she’s taking sides (she’s deleted plenty of my posts over the years for what that’s worth) or neglecting her “duties”, perhaps we should all be hoping she’s OK and working on the big collective apology we owe her for the huge mess we’ve created.

She will be back before you know it.

 

[LittleBuford]

She will be back before you know it.

I hope her absence isn’t due to anything serious.

 

[Bullseye1967]

I hope her absence isn’t due to anything serious.

To quote Chicago "Everybody needs a little time away"

 

[Chi84]

I hope her absence isn’t due to anything serious.

She may be sick of us.

 

[LittleBuford]

She may be sick of us.

I wouldn’t blame her. I’m sick of us, myself most of all!

 

[Cliff]

Here is an idea: Since "Mom" is not here right now and there is nobody to police or cancel our speech. Maybe we should ALL internally reflect on everything we said,....and police OURSELVES???

Maybe we could all go back and self-delete things that we "know" Mom would zap if she saw it?

I dunno,...does anybody feel guilty of anything they said? It would be nice to see people do the right thing and censor themselves and maybe make Mom proud when she comes back?

I canceled my own sarcastic post. Maybe others can do the same?

Or maybe this is just another stupid idea of mine? ;-)

 

[Chi84]

Here is an idea: Since "Mom" is not here right now and there is nobody to police or cancel our speech. Maybe we should ALL internally reflect on everything we said,....and police OURSELVES???

Maybe we could all go back and self-delete things that we "know" Mom would zap if she saw it?

I dunno,...does anybody feel guilty of anything they said? It would be nice to see people do the right thing and censor themselves and maybe make Mom proud when she comes back?

I canceled my own sarcastic post. Maybe others can do the same?

Or maybe this is just another stupid idea of mine? ;-)

We’re all good. Delete your own posts as you see fit.

 

[TP2000]

Disney wants to make money from Snow White. As others have already explained, they’re not going to get drawn further into the controversy by firing its leading actress, who will presumably be called upon to promote the film. She is not expendable in the way that your hypothetical Jungle Cruise CM is.

Now clearly there’s a point at which Disney would have to cut ties with her. Perhaps she was close to reaching that point with her latest remarks, but she has since issued an apology, perhaps (and probably) under some pressure from Disney. For now, it seems, Disney thinks she is less of a liability than she is a potential asset to their efforts to promote the film. That may well change—for example, if she says something even more ill-advised in the next few months—in which case perhaps Disney will “fire” her. As things stand, however, Disney has made a different (financial and PR) calculation.

I suspect you are probably right. But that still makes me sad.

Disney should have the same standards for all of its employees, whether its a $20 an hour Jungle Cruise Skipper or a sparkling new young actress on a $2 Million contract for Snow White.

If anything, the Disney employee that is paid $2 Million for six months of work should be held to a higher standard than the $20 an hour ride operator at Disneyland, not the other way around. And yet, that's apparently not the way Disney works.

As Miss Zegler would say.... That's Hollywood, baby!

 

[Disney Irish]

I suspect you are probably right. But that still makes me sad.

Disney should have the same standards for all of its employees, whether its a $20 an hour Jungle Cruise Skipper or a sparkling new young actress on a $2 Million contract for Snow White.

If anything, the Disney employee that is paid $2 Million for six months of work should be held to a higher standard than the $20 an hour ride operator at Disneyland, not the other way around. And yet, that's apparently not the way Disney works.

As Miss Zegler would say.... That's Hollywood, baby!

Once again you are using the term "employee" here very broadly, and incorrectly. She WAS an employee while filming the movie, or more specifically she was basically a contractor. She is NO LONGER an employee now that filming has wrapped. Outside of promotion for the film she has no obligation to Disney, and Disney has no obligation to her and can use her or not use her as they see fit to promote the film.

This would be no different if you hired someone to work on your house, they completed the work and you paid them, but then you found out they said something later after that work was completed that you didn't like. Outside of maybe making it known you don't agree with them there is very little that you can do. You can't fire them because they don't work for you anymore.

In regards to a standard of conduct, while filming for Disney they are held to a standard, in most cases the same standard as that Jungle Cruise Skipper that you are so fond of using as an example. You notice we didn't really hear anything from any of the actors of the movie while principal filming was taking place. It was only after principal filming wrapped that we heard anything from them. Those are those standards you are looking for, while employed there wasn't so much as a peep. What you're expecting is that those standards extend beyond their employment, and that just isn't the case. They are not beholden to Disney for lifetime.

As has been the case going on all the way back to the Golden Age of Hollywood, actors are given a certain amount of leeway regarding their lives outside of the projects they are working on. I mean we've had actors and actress that got into all sorts of scandals for now over a 100 years. This is hardly the worst we've seen. The only reason any of us here are even talking about it is because its in relation to Disney and one of their movies. If this was any other actor no one here would even care or bat an eye of it. Which shows you that in the end none of this really matters in the larger scheme of things. Actors, and any other public figure for that matter, are just like any of us, same flaws and all.

 

[donaldtoo]

Sorry, couldn’t resist…

 

[Cliff]

This is full-on politics now. Way over the line.

You also seem to have trouble understanding the difference between subjective and objective.

Agreed, it's absolutely terrible and my anxiety is through the roof. It's all highly triggering to say the least.

I don't know how much more of these endless, un-censored opinions I can take.

I feel like I have no protection anymore. Uggg.....

 

[Tom P.]

Almost all of the moderation here is undertaken by one person, @The Mom, who isn’t paid for her work and has a life beyond these boards. I just checked her activity and see she hasn’t posted anything for days. So rather than assume she’s taking sides (she’s deleted plenty of my posts over the years for what that’s worth) or neglecting her “duties”, perhaps we should all be hoping she’s OK and working on the big collective apology we owe her for the huge mess we’ve created.

I know my post was only one of several that you quoted, but just to be clear, I didn't accuse @The Mom of taking sides. I said I was genuinely curious why the thread is allowed to continue. That was a true statement. I don't know the answer.