LittleBuford
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To be clear, that not what I’m objecting to. My post didn’t refer to the film’s supporters or audience, but to those involved in its creation.
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Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’
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Willmark
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And to be clear, I’m pointing out that people here who didn’t like Sound of Freedom did not see it and were critiquing it based on who saw it and who supported it.
And in a non confrontational way with this next part: I‘m well aware you chose to frame it in terms of using the word content. Trust me, I knew what your objection would be before I posted it and looked at the word content specifically in your post for quite some time.
I don't believe Operation Dumbo Drop is a remake. It is based on the true story with the nickname due to it being an elephant transport and an air drop with elephant from the 1960s Vietnam War. Just having the name as a joke does not mean it is a spinoff or remake anymore than Waking Sleeping Beauty is a follow up to Sleeping Beauty.
What we do have with current amount of remakes and sequels is progression, to where now that is the majority and fatigue. The lack of quality also accelerated.
That was all in a time period(Early 90s towards mid) where there were many Touchstone originals and original animated stories annually. Remakes were not a norm. Funny you bring up Jungle Book. Huge deal in 1994 to have a remake. People were not crazy about it. Disney less than a decade ago remade it again. There is a reason by the late 90s and early 200s had all the sequels as straight to home video. Original big risks were still being taken and live action.And since then the variety has diminished.
This hurts the entire company for when they do try something original, the results diminish out of lack of trust when the quality of the others spelled fatigue. Encanto should have done a lot better theatrically. Elemental maybe too, but Pixar has sequel after sequel and a spinoff these past eight years among the few originals, it hurt their brand itself. Relying on them and the snake eating itself for so long has been off brand.
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LittleBuford
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I don’t understand your post.
The content of the film is such that I want to see it. I like thrillers. But some of the people involved in the film, and who would profit from my paying to see it, espouse what I consider to be dangerous conspiracy theories. I therefore choose not to give them any of my money.
It’s a shame, because the film’s director feels just as uncomfortable with the conspiracy-theory connection as I do. But the situation is what it is.
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I clearly don’t understand your line of thinking…there is no difference between a straight couple or gay couple other than who they are attracted to…I am not sure I get what is so offensive about having a character who happens to be gay in a Disney movie…I don’t have kids of my own, but I have nieces and nephews and I would like them to grow up in a world that is inclusive of everyone
BuddyThomas
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Thank you very much.
I have no idea what they were thinking? I really wanted to love this movie. I love the Toy Story movies hence my name.
LittleBuford
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Indeed. The Buzz of Lightyear really has nothing to do with the Buzz of the Toy Story movies. What should have been a fun backstory was turned into something utterly tedious.
LittleBuford
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He's explained before that he thinks it should be left to parents to decide when their children learn about same-sex attraction. The problem with this line of thinking is that we now live in a society where same-sex relationships aren't supposed to be taboo anymore (though they clearly remain so in the eyes of many) and where gay marriage has been legal for some years. It's simply impossible to "protect" children from knowing about the reality of the world around them (which is to say nothing of the fact that gay children deserve to see this kind of representation).
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BuddyThomas
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I mean, it's still 74% critic positive and 84% audience positive on Rotten Tomatoes so I don't really think it was "utterly tedious". I didn't think it was a masterpiece, but I sure had a good time and the animation was flawless.
LittleBuford
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We can agree to differ. You hated Haunted Mansion whereas I really enjoyed it, so personal taste has a lot to do with it.
BuddyThomas
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I also had a really obnoxious audience with Haunted Mansion, but I don't know if that had anything to do with my dislike of it.
TP2000
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Holy crap. Here I was offline all evening, drinking a Trader Joe's weekly wine special and watching old episodes of The Hollywood Palace on YouTube, eventually dancing around the beach house to Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass, while this thread drifted way off topic into whether or not I'd spent my time online since 1995 "pretending" to be gay.
I'm not sure if I'm flattered, or slightly creeped out by that.
At least Herb Alpert knows the truth...
I'm not sure if I'm flattered, or slightly creeped out by that.
At least Herb Alpert knows the truth...
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Tony the Tigger
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Today is the 16th anniversary of our wedding. I guess that’s not long enough for some to get used to it.
We’ll be going to see Barbie this evening.
And we have been representing a healthy example of marriage all this time - to gay and straight, adults and children.
That absolutely should be represented in a movie for children.
Andrew C
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Happy anniversary! Enjoy the movie!
Heppenheimer
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Operation Dumbo Drop had nothing whatsoever to do with the original Dumbo, other than they both featured an elephant. Oh, and they used "When I See an Elephant Fly" at the end. That's it, really.
The 1994 Jungle Book was hardly a remake either, since it took the story in a completely different direction. The plot had more in common with 1999's Tarzan than it did with Disney's 1967 animated version.
I would argue that the first real "live action remake" that kept relatively close to the plot and spirit of the original was 101 Dalmations from 1996, but this was somewhat of a one-off. The trend really didn't start until the 2010s, with Alice in Wonderland and Cinderella.
LittleBuford
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I largely agree with this, though Alice in Wonderland does not, to my mind, keep relatively close to the plot and spirit of the original. I don’t recall that particular remake coming up in this thread before, which is weird given that one of the complaints about Snow White is that it (partially) retains the title of the original and therefore sets false expectations.
erasure fan1
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As far as Dumbo drop goes, could be, I never watched it. Jungle book on the other hand, I'd say is a remake. It's just a different interpretation. So I'll stand by my they've been doing it for nearly 30yrs statement. You could still say close to 30yrs if you start with dalmatians. I guess either way, live action remakes are completely on brand for Disney and it's been that way for a long time.
So there were some posts I made last night in response to a poster that I probably should of ignored and moved along… and perhaps this will be deleted too… just wanted to show where I was coming from
I have a Nephew on my wife’s side who came out about a year and 1/2 ago whose some of his own family does not accept him… with a couple who act as they accept him but then ridicule and make fun of him behind his back including his own mother…and if his own mom can behave like that… it has caused myself to be protective of him
He also was dating someone who he was crazy about at the time who wanted to stay in the closet at the time,.. that was not good enough for my nephew as he did not want to hide who he is
I just think being inclusive of everyone(including in Disney films) will only help other people to being more accepting… people are afraid of who they don’t know or jump to conclusion on negative stereotypes being presented by people with an agenda
By the way my nephew has since met a great guy and they are engaged
I have a Nephew on my wife’s side who came out about a year and 1/2 ago whose some of his own family does not accept him… with a couple who act as they accept him but then ridicule and make fun of him behind his back including his own mother…and if his own mom can behave like that… it has caused myself to be protective of him
He also was dating someone who he was crazy about at the time who wanted to stay in the closet at the time,.. that was not good enough for my nephew as he did not want to hide who he is
I just think being inclusive of everyone(including in Disney films) will only help other people to being more accepting… people are afraid of who they don’t know or jump to conclusion on negative stereotypes being presented by people with an agenda
By the way my nephew has since met a great guy and they are engaged
Disstevefan1
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I am very happy for your nephew, but what does this have to do Disney making a movie they say is a live action remake that does not resemble the classic.
All Disney needs to do is give this new movie its own unique title, and if they must, add "inspired by Snow White and the Seven dwarfs", that's all.
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