Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Tha Realest]

Some interesting context, and further evidence of how the problem is less with Zegler's sentiments (which aren't that dissimilar to Watston's, even if more brashly expressed) than with the outrage that has been very deliberately manufactured around them.

“When I finished the film, it kind of felt like I had made that transition into being a woman on-screen,” she said, adding that Belle is “absolutely a Disney princess, but she’s not a passive character — she’s in charge of her own destiny.”​

The actress was instrumental in giving the Disney princess a more feminist edge, insisting that certain aspects be changed so she feels more modern. “I was like, ‘The first shot of the movie cannot be Belle walking out of this quiet little town carrying a basket with a white napkin in it,’ ” said Watson. “‘We need to rev things up!’”​

From the same article:

Director Bill Condon echoes his lead actress, saying that Belle is just a tad different than the other Disney princesses in that she’s not motivated by love. “She really is the first modern Disney princess who doesn’t want to be a princess,” he says. “Someone who’s more interested in figuring out who she is than finding a guy and getting married.”​

Emma Watson Talks Making Belle a 'Modern Disney Princess'

The actress is featured in a new video talking about making bringing Belle to life

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It’s been awhile since I watched this film, but I must be misremembering that - like this anticipated version of Snow White - the film was called “Beauty” and they essentially did away with the love story and character of the Beast altogether.

 

[Chi84]

I thought the anticipated Snow White has a love story and that the relationship between Snow and the forest characters is still there - they’re just not dwarfs.

I’m not at all sure how people seem to know so much about this film. I will admit that I wasn’t giving it a second thought until I found out Greta Gerwig was involved as a writer. Now I’m interested to see what’s it’s like.

 

[LittleBuford]

I thought the anticipated Snow White has a love story and that the relationship between Snow and the forest characters is still there - they’re just not dwarfs.

I’m not at all sure how people seem to know so much about this film. I will admit that I wasn’t giving it a second thought until I found out Greta Gerwig was involved as a writer. Now I’m interested to see what’s it’s like.

Indeed. I’m not sure why @EPCOT-O.G. and others suspect the film won’t have a love story when the available information strongly suggests that it will.

It’s also puzzling to me that the avoidance of the prince-as-saviour trope is being taken to mean an absence of love and romance altogether. Why does everything have to be so dichotomously framed?

 

[Chi84]

Indeed. I’m not sure why @EPCOT-O.G. and others suspect the film won’t have a love story when the available information strongly suggests that it will.

It’s also puzzling to me that the avoidance of the prince-as-saviour trope is being taken to mean an absence of love and romance altogether. Why does everything have to be so dichotomously framed?

That reminds me of an old joke: There are two kinds of people in this world - those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who don’t.

I’m not sure why people choose it over dialectical thinking other than possibly because it’s easier. Or maybe they believe that Disney is doing things so opposite to what they like that they’ve given up hope.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Emma Watson Talks Making Belle a 'Modern Disney Princess'

The actress is featured in a new video talking about making bringing Belle to life

people.com

I liked this live action remake.

 

[LSLS]

I liked this live action remake.

HA, this is the one that totally turned me on all these. I legit fell asleep watching it, and I HATED what I didn't sleep through. Though, funny enough, I liked her as Belle. Gaston was my most hated thing from that movie (there were other things too, but that really turned me off to the whole film).

 

[Casper Gutman]

It’s been awhile since I watched this film, but I must be misremembering that - like this anticipated version of Snow White - the film was called “Beauty” and they essentially did away with the love story and character of the Beast altogether.

How recently have you seen Snow White? The Prince is an absolute non-entity in the Disney original.

 

[Casper Gutman]

HA, this is the one that totally turned me on all these. I legit fell asleep watching it, and I HATED what I didn't sleep through. Though, funny enough, I liked her as Belle. Gaston was my most hated thing from that movie (there were other things too, but that really turned me off to the whole film).

It’s a shame Bruce Campbell was too old for Gaston.

 

[Disstevefan1]

HA, this is the one that totally turned me on all these. I legit fell asleep watching it, and I HATED what I didn't sleep through. Though, funny enough, I liked her as Belle. Gaston was my most hated thing from that movie (there were other things too, but that really turned me off to the whole film).

Well its totally normal for some folks to like something and other folks to not. I thought this remake was fun, it seemed to follow the original and my favorite character was Gaston, LOL.

Folks like different stuff. For example, I liked Lightyear, I liked they way they used time travel and how Buzz evolved through time. My only gripe was that Lightyear has nothing to do with Toy Story and should not have been associated with Andy.

I thought Elemental was GREAT!

Strange World was, strange and my only gripe was the global warming, get rid of fossil fuel, must live in the dark, messaging in the film.

 

[Chi84]

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Both of us were kidding. This is all in fun!

Maybe so, but I still remember being told to "lighten up" about sexist jokes at work. Turns out only some of the people were actually having the fun.

But if dichotomous thinking requires a choice, I'll take the girl in your post over the one in Tony's. Only one of them evokes what was a not-so-distant reality, although from what I understand there are those who fear the "girl boss" as just around the corner if not already here.

Watch out! (Just kidding lol).

 

[TP2000]

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Thank you, I just loved that woman.

I thought she was brilliantly funny and extremely talented. And taken from us far, far too soon.

 

[TP2000]

Indeed. I’m not sure why @EPCOT-O.G. and others suspect the film won’t have a love story when the available information strongly suggests that it will.

It came from one of the now-infamous interviews that Miss Zegler did at formal Disney media events.

"She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be dreaming about true love, she's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. And the leader that her late father told her that she could be if she was fearless, fair, brave, and true...." -Rachel Zegler to a Variety reporter at D23 Expo



This is my personal opinion, but it doesn't help that in these interviews Rachel Zegler delivers these remarks with a tone and a tenor that seems condescending and judgmental of the 1937 source material. There's just something about the way she speaks, the way she laughs at it all and makes her smirky comments and smug facial gestures, that really puts an underline on her already critical comments of the Walt Disney original.

For people of my generation at least, she comes off as annoying and unlikable. Perhaps younger people see her differently.

 

[LittleBuford]

It came from one of the now-infamous interviews that Miss Zegler did at formal Disney media events.

"She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be dreaming about true love, she's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. And the leader that her late father told her that she could be if she was fearless, fair, brave, and true...." -Rachel Zegler to a Variety reporter at D23 Expo

Compare that to what the director of the Beauty and Beast remake said about the reimagined Belle: "She really is the first modern Disney princess who doesn’t want to be a princess . . . Someone who's more interested in figuring out who she is than finding a guy and getting married." None of this stopped the live-action Belle from finding love, and there's no reason to think that the live-action Snow White will be denied the chance of romance either. For one thing, a person doesn't have to be "dreaming about true love" to end up in it (I speak from experience). For another—and as I've mentioned several times before—we have information to the effect that there will be some sort of romantic connection between Snow White and a new character by the name of Jonathan.

 

[TalkingHead]

Disney’s pushing this back from March? Shocking.

 

[mickEblu]

It came from one of the now-infamous interviews that Miss Zegler did at formal Disney media events.

"She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be dreaming about true love, she's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. And the leader that her late father told her that she could be if she was fearless, fair, brave, and true...." -Rachel Zegler to a Variety reporter at D23 Expo



This is my personal opinion, but it doesn't help that in these interviews Rachel Zegler delivers these remarks with a tone and a tenor that seems condescending and judgmental of the 1937 source material. There's just something about the way she speaks, the way she laughs at it all and makes her smirky comments and smug facial gestures, that really puts an underline on her already critical comments of the Walt Disney original.

For people of my generation at least, she comes off as annoying and unlikable. Perhaps younger people see her differently.

How much younger? I’m 41. I think she is extremely annoying and unlikable. She’s just being Hollywood- living in that bubble and saying what she thinks everyone wants to hear.

 

[mickEblu]

After seeing a few of Rachel’s interviews now I think she’s White enough to play Snow White especially with makeup if they wanted to go that route. I think she looks at least as good or better than Emma Watson looked playing Belle. But that could also be because Belle is more attractive than Emma and Rachel is more attractive than Snow White IMO.

 

[mickEblu]

She’s half our age. It’s worth considering how much significance you’d typically assign to the words of a 22-year-old.

Right but she’s not your average 22 year old and should know better or at least be coached better by Disney or someone on her team.

 

[LittleBuford]

Right but she’s not your average 22 year old and should know better or at least be coached better by Disney or someone on her team.

Being an actress doesn’t make her wiser than her years.

I would argue that those who should know better are the middle-aged fans who have developed a quite unreasonable and unhealthy level of disdain for her.

 

[mickEblu]

Being an actress doesn’t make her wiser than her years.

I would argue that those who should know better are the middle-aged fans who have developed a quite unreasonable and unhealthy level of disdain for her.

No not necessarily but she should have a little more awareness than what she’s currently displaying. 22 is not THAT young. There are probably a good amount of 18 year olds that would have handled those interviews better than she did. But again - she’s just saying what she thinks people want to hear (with a certain arrogance) and nobody seems to be stopping her.

You re also framing this as The People V. Rachel when it’s really The People V. Disney. She just happens to be the face for now… until the next thing. She’s just a reflection of what many of us think is wrong with the company right now.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

No not necessarily but she should have a little more awareness than what she’s currently displaying. 22 is not THAT young. There are probably a good amount of 18 year olds that would have handled those interviews better than she did. But again - she’s just saying what she thinks people want to hear and nobody seems to be stopping her.

You re also framing this as The People V. Rachel when it’s really The People V. Disney. She just happens to be the face for now… until the next thing. She’s just a reflection of what many of us think is wrong with the company right now.

Maybe the studios don’t/shouldn’t tell young women what to think or say about womanhood anymore.