Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Chi84]

Not being cryptic. I will point back to my previous post about whether Disney has learned lessons from previous and recent failures. If they haven’t, that will impact Snow White.

And it failed internationally. Which matters for future Disney releases.

Oh okay. So you aren’t hinting that you know what caused TLM to fail in the international market. You’re just saying they need to figure it out.

If that’s the case, I hope so too. Then again, I may not be the typical Disney fanatic on these boards. I like certain things that Disney does and dislike others.

I’m not so invested in their financial success. If they don’t figure out what they’re doing - especially in the parks - they may very well not ever reach their past successes. I take the changes as they come and will deal with them until I won’t.

 

[DisneyHead123]

What examples do you have in mind other than Ariel?


What statements has Disney issued that you think would alienate those of a particular political leaning?

I apologize, because you’ve been discussing things very politely. But I just looked back and realized recent comments that I really thought over and were in a strange way important to me were deleted.

It’s an exercise in frustration to try to thoughtfully reflect on a company that is clearly embroiled in a very political situation (whatever your stance on that, when a governor and Presidential candidate is going after Disney, yes, that is 100% without question a political situation, and it’s crazy to say that has no impact on Disney’s potential audience) and to try to weirdly dance around that while discussing Disney’s current status. It’s an Orwellian exercise in going “Oh, you know, Disney’s box office. Which might be impacted by…. things. And stuff. And stuff and things. See what I’m saying?”

Disney is impacted by politics, but politics are banned in this thread, and to me it makes conversation almost impossible. I’m going to take a break from this thread for at least a few days. But again, thank you for your openness and civility here.

 

[MisterPenguin]

In what way do you think her feelings about the original film will affect her performance?

That’s like hiring a CM at park that hates that park. They’re not going to do a good job.

After debunking that Zegler said she hated Snow White, which she never did, why do use a analogy of a CM **hating** the parks?

 

[Andrew C]

After debunking that Zegler said she hated Snow White, which she never did,

Come on. You can’t get any closer to saying you hate something without actually using the word “hate.” Why the need to cover for her? She said what she said. She made her feelings perfectly clear with her words and the way she said it. Her tone. Her language. The inflection. She has contempt for the original. It’s one thing to say that it doesn’t matter how she feels about the original. Or it’s nothing to get mad about. But denying the feelings she has expressed in public is a bit silly.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Come on. You can’t get any closer to saying you hate something without actually using the word “hate.” Why the need to cover for her? She said what she said. She made her feelings perfectly clear with her words and the way she said it. Her tone. Her language. The inflection. She has contempt for the original. It’s one thing to say that it doesn’t matter how she feels about the original. Or it’s nothing to get mad about. But denying the feelings she has expressed in public is a bit silly.

You know what's worse? Putting words in people's mouths.

There's a lot of old movies I find troubling but saying that out loud hardly means I *hate* them.

This is just character assassination.

 

[Andrew C]

You know what's worse? Putting words in people's mouths.

There's a lot of old movies I find troubling but saying that out loud hardly means I *hate* them.

This is just character assassination.

No one put words in anyone’s mouth. She said it. She owns what she said. That’s not my problem. That’s hers. I’m not here to bail her out. She’s an adult.

 

[MisterPenguin]

No one put words in anyone’s mouth. She said it. She owns what she said. That’s not my problem. That’s hers. I’m not here to bail her out. She’s an adult.

She didn't say 'hate.'

 

[LittleBuford]

I apologize, because you’ve been discussing things very politely. But I just looked back and realized recent comments that I really thought over and were in a strange way important to me were deleted.

It’s an exercise in frustration to try to thoughtfully reflect on a company that is clearly embroiled in a very political situation (whatever your stance on that, when a governor and Presidential candidate is going after Disney, yes, that is 100% without question a political situation, and it’s crazy to say that has no impact on Disney’s potential audience) and to try to weirdly dance around that while discussing Disney’s current status. It’s an Orwellian exercise in going “Oh, you know, Disney’s box office. Which might be impacted by…. things. And stuff. And stuff and things. See what I’m saying?”

Disney is impacted by politics, but politics are banned in this thread, and to me it makes conversation almost impossible. I’m going to take a break from this thread for at least a few days. But again, thank you for your openness and civility here.

I understand why the policy can feel frustrating, but having been here in the days when there was a dedicated politics section, I’m honestly grateful that there are now some restrictions in place. At any rate, I appreciate your kind words and thank you too for your civility.

 

[LittleBuford]

After debunking that Zegler said she hated Snow White, which she never did, why do use an analogy of a CM **hating** the parks?

I think it’s beside the point anyway. I wouldn’t be offended if a fellow Disney fan here announced their dislike, or even hatred, of one of the animated classics. As much as I myself love the films, I realise that others will inevitably feel differently, and I’m certainly not going to draw sweeping conclusions about the character or professional abilities of someone who happens not to share my opinion on what is, at the end of the day, a fairly inconsequential matter.

 

[LittleBuford]

I just searched for, and found, reviews of the original film here in the forum. This is what one member wrote in a thread they started on the topic:

Snow White's problem, as the presenter of Mousterpiece Cinema (a Disney film podcast) points out, is that she is completely passive throughout. She never seems to consider the Queen's threat seriously beyond her initial freak out in the forest and, at the beginning of the story, doesn't seem even slightly bothered that she has been demoted to a servant in her own castle! Watching these films with my 2 year old daughter has really made me think about the role models being presented by the Disney princesses. Snow White is an appalling role model for young girls. She is a servant in her own castle; she goes off with the first man who shows an interest in her and she spends her spare time cooking and cleaning for a group of lazy, self-centred men.​

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The Prince is pretty much a minor character. He appears briefly at the beginning and end of the film. He seems rather opportunistic, climbing over the castle wall and almost accosting Snow White. He then disappears and then at the end of the film is apparently searching for Snow White and finds her glass coffin Weirdo that he is he decides to kiss the (supposedly) year long dead Snow White and then, when she miraculously revives, takes her away to his castle in the clouds (or at least that is how the final scene is painted). The Prince has the good looks needed to be a Disney Prince (along with Charming, Philip, Eric etc) but has no character and even less purpose other than take Snow White away to whatever life he has planned for her.​

I don’t think these words are any kinder to the film than Zegler’s; indeed, they are considerably harsher. Yet none of the other participants in the thread (who were admittedly very few) took exception to the OP’s opinion, even though they had more positive things to say. It’s remarkable (and depressing) how much the tenor of such debates has changed in the last several years.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I apologize, because you’ve been discussing things very politely. But I just looked back and realized recent comments that I really thought over and were in a strange way important to me were deleted.

Sometimes I wonder if it is done in a "nobody will notice" type of way, or if it is intended to be exasperating, or if it is a Europe vs. the United States clash of culture, or something else. Then I shake my head and log off for a few days because (intended or not) it is exasperating.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I just searched for, and found, reviews of the original film here in the forum. This is what one member wrote in a thread they started on the topic:

Snow White's problem, as the presenter of Mousterpiece Cinema (a Disney film podcast) points out, is that she is completely passive throughout. She never seems to consider the Queen's threat seriously beyond her initial freak out in the forest and, at the beginning of the story, doesn't seem even slightly bothered that she has been demoted to a servant in her own castle! Watching these films with my 2 year old daughter has really made me think about the role models being presented by the Disney princesses. Snow White is an appalling role model for young girls. She is a servant in her own castle; she goes off with the first man who shows an interest in her and she spends her spare time cooking and cleaning for a group of lazy, self-centred men.​

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The Prince is pretty much a minor character. He appears briefly at the beginning and end of the film. He seems rather opportunistic, climbing over the castle wall and almost accosting Snow White. He then disappears and then at the end of the film is apparently searching for Snow White and finds her glass coffin Weirdo that he is he decides to kiss the (supposedly) year long dead Snow White and then, when she miraculously revives, takes her away to his castle in the clouds (or at least that is how the final scene is painted). The Prince has the good looks needed to be a Disney Prince (along with Charming, Philip, Eric etc) but has no character and even less purpose other than take Snow White away to whatever life he has planned for her.​

I don’t think these words are any kinder to the film than Zegler’s; indeed, they are considerably harsher. Yet none of the other participants in the thread (who were admittedly very few) took exception to the OP’s opinion, even though they had more positive things to say. It’s remarkable (and depressing) how much the tenor of such debates has changed in the last several years.

The commentator is entitled to his opinion (even if I disagree with large portions of it), but if I learned he was the producer or director of a 2023 remake, I would probably scream, "bloody murder." It's the difference between being a rando on the internet and someone with a position of influence.

 

[wtyy21]

We now have a glimpse regarding the potential first trailer of the upcoming Snow White live-action film, which will possibly unveiled during Destination D23 event this September. He is one who leaked the trailer of Spider-Man No Way Home, TLM, Wandavision before the official trailer was released.




Additional information regarding the potential first trailer:

UPDATE: Audio source taken from Discord.

Note: Dwarfs mentioned here is actually how the footage leaked by Daily Mail last month.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Just so I'm understanding correctly ... Am I to understand that someone at Disney decided having dwarf characters in Snow White in the Seven Dwarves was politically incorrect, but elves were totally cool? BTW, how quickly is "Maple the Elf" going to become a meme for turning a beloved classic original IP into a never-had-a-chance failed adaptation?

"I was kind of enjoying the Phantom Menace until Jar Jar Binks showed up as George Lucas's Maple the Elf and then I knew the film was headed to disaster."

 

[LittleBuford]

The commentator is entitled to his opinion (even if I disagree with large portions of it), but if I learned he was the producer or director of a 2023 remake, I would probably scream, "bloody murder." It's the difference between being a rando on the internet and someone with a position of influence.

There’s no reason to think that Zegler had any influence on the script or plot. Moreover, I’m struggling to understand how her misgivings about aspects of the 1937 film that won’t even feature in the remake would negatively shape her performance. It’s rather farfetched to assume that her lack of enthusiasm for the animated version will somehow come through in her portrayal of what is, in any case, a substantially different treatment of the titular character. I grant you that her opinions have negatively impacted certain people’s perception of her suitability for the role, but that’s a different matter.

Incidentally, Alec Guinness didn’t enjoy playing Obi-Wan Kenobi, describing his dialogue as “rubbish”:

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Christopher Plummer was likewise none too fond of The Sound of Music, and he even had some harsh words to say on Shakespeare:

Christopher Plummer thought 'The Sound of Music' was "awful"

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I don’t think anyone would claim that either actor was miscast or did a bad job, however much they may have disliked the material they were working with. It’s called acting for a reason! (And it should be noted that Zegler, unlike Guinness and Plummer, seems actually to have enjoyed her role.)

 

[LittleBuford]

Note: Dwarfs mentioned here is actually how the footage leaked by Daily Mail last month.

Could you clarify what you mean here?

 

[LittleBuford]

Sometimes I wonder [. . .] if it is a Europe vs. the United States clash of culture

Most of the moderating is done by @The Mom, who (if I’m not mistaken) is as American as her username suggests. Plus we’re still given considerably more latitude here than we would be on other Disney forums, including US-based ones.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

There’s no reason to think that Zegler had any influence on the script or plot. Moreover, I’m struggling to understand how her misgivings about aspects of the 1937 film that won’t even feature in the remake would negatively shape her performance. It’s rather farfetched to assume that her lack of enthusiasm for the animated version will somehow come through in her portrayal of what is, in any case, a substantially different treatment of the titular character. I grant you that her opinions have negatively impacted certain people’s perception of her suitability for the role, but that’s a different matter.

Incidentally, Alec Guinness didn’t enjoy playing Obi-Wan Kenobi, describing his dialogue as “rubbish”:

Alec Guinness Detailed How Much He Hated 'Star Wars' in 1976 Letter

While Obi-Wan Kenobi is one of the most revered characters in the popular Star Wars franchise, the actor who first brought him to life didn’t think too much of the role. A letter written by actor Alec Guinness to a friend details his experience on the set of George Lucas’ first installment in...

comicbook.com

Christopher Plummer was likewise none too fond of The Sound of Music, and he even had some harsh words to say on Shakespeare:

Christopher Plummer thought 'The Sound of Music' was "awful"

Syrupy to the extreme, 'The Sound Of Music' is cherished and loathed in equal measure. Here Christopher Plummer explains his distaste for the 1965 picture.

faroutmagazine.co.uk

I don’t think anyone would claim that either actor was miscast or did a bad job, however much they may have disliked the material they were working with. It’s called acting for a reason! (And it should be noted that Zegler, unlike Guinness and Plummer, seems actually to have enjoyed her role.)

It's clear from her comments she doesn't respect the original film. The original film is what people love (for 80 years). She's gone out of her way to tell everyone that they are not making a film that those who love and respect the original will enjoy. She doesn't realize how stupid this is (both in concept of the remake, and in antagonizing the original's fans pre-release), but she is doing it nontheless.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Most of the moderating is done by @The Mom, who (if I’m not mistaken) is as American as her username suggests. Plus we’re still given considerably more latitude here than we would be on other Disney forums, including US-based ones.

My mistake, I had always assumed the entire moderator staff was British.

 

[LittleBuford]

She's gone out of her way to tell everyone that they are not making a film that those who love and respect the original will enjoy.

As someone who loves and respects the original film, that is not the message I'm getting at all.

I will wait to see the remake before deciding whether or not I like it.