Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

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LSLS

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As much as I loved Disney movies as a kid, I actually did feel alienated by some of them, specifically the princess movies. I didn’t see any Disney princess that looked like me until 2009 with PatF; I was 17. I actually briefly touched on this in an essay I submitted to Disney for a writing competition I don’t know how many years ago. The prompt asked contestants if they could have been a part of the making of any Disney movie, which one would they choose. I wrote about my experiences as a little black girl watching Disney movies with lots of white main characters, but no black ones, until PatF. I chose PatF and wrote about how I would have loved to have contributed to adding pieces of the black experience to the movie, adding pieces of the culture. I was runner-up in the competition and I didn’t know it until I received a prize in the mail with a note from Disney, congratulating me.

Again, Disney is NOT changing the original animated films. The only animated film I can think of on the top of my head that’s been changed is Fantasia. Why some of you keep saying this, I don’t know.
See, I get your point on wanting princesses that look like you. But I was more thinking of looking at an individual movie as alienating. I can see how all of them combined not having any minority princesses was not a good thing, and I completely agree with the idea that more are needed (and needed as originals).
 

LittleBuford

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Because Mermaid was sold as a frame for frame remake where Cinderella was not.
I’m quoting this again because it’s such a head-scratcher to me. I cannot for the life of me understand on what basis you’re making such a claim, and with such certainty to boot. Perhaps you or someone else could point me to a source, or at least explain how you might have arrived at this conclusion.
 

Californian Elitist

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I’m quoting this again because it’s such a head-scratcher to me. I cannot for the life of me understand on what basis you’re making such a claim, and with such certainty to boot. Perhaps you or someone else could point me to a source, or at least explain how you might have arrived at this conclusion.
Right. I can think of one scene that was in the trailers repeatedly that was never in the animated original: Eric spinning Ariel and then coming together in the island town scene. Never happened in the animated version.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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I’m quoting this again because it’s such a head-scratcher to me. I cannot for the life of me understand on what basis you’re making such a claim, and with such certainty to boot. Perhaps you or someone else could point me to a source, or at least explain how you might have arrived at this conclusion.
So I have not seen TLM 2023. I did pop over to Wikipedia and read the plot. It may not be frame by frame but it appears to be the same at the animated film.

Edit. generally speaking of course.
 

LSLS

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So I have not seen TLM 2023. I did pop over to Wikipedia and read the plot. It may not be frame by frame but it appears to be the same at the animated film.

Edit. generally speaking of course.
Admittedly I haven't seen Cinderella in like 7 years, but was Cinderella really different either? Everyone keeps talking about it being different, but I thought it was very much the same (in fact I thought that was part of why I didn't like it as much as Maleficent).
 

GhostHost1000

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We’re you this mad at the Brandy version of Cinderella in the 90’s
Mad? I’m not mad about any of these types of changes, I’m just saying it’s not necessary and the response to it tells you why

Just create new characters. New stories. This is Disney for crying outloud. Can’t they be creative anymore? They could develop the next new hit character and movie but instead they have to keep milking old stories/characters and even worse changing the characters or even parts of the story (they feel might be controversial) for folks to question why even bother then. It’s just not wise on their part.
 

LittleBuford

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So I have not seen TLM 2023. I did pop over to Wikipedia and read the plot. It may not be frame by frame but it appears to be the same at the animated film.

Edit. generally speaking of course.
But the same applies to Cinderella. The idea that the latter was promoted as a loose adaptation while The Little Mermaid was misrepresented as a frame-for-frame remake is just an invention with no basis in fact. One of the first things we knew about Mermaid was that it would feature new songs. This was announced back in early 2020, which means that audiences had a more than three-year “warning” that they would not be getting something identical to the original. And that’s to say nothing of the “But they’re changing Ariel!” furore that followed the announcement of Halle Bailey’s casting in 2019.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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Admittedly I haven't seen Cinderella in like 7 years, but was Cinderella really different either? Everyone keeps talking about it being different, but I thought it was very much the same (in fact I thought that was part of why I didn't like it as much as Maleficent).
I haven't seen it either. Just read the plot. Pretty much the same as the animated.
 
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LittleBuford

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Right. I can think of one scene that was in the trailers repeatedly that was never in the animated original: Eric spinning Ariel and then coming together in the island town scene. Never happened in the animated version.
I don’t remember the trailer well enough, but I believe that particular scene is also there in the original (unless I’ve misunderstood what you’re referring to).
 

doctornick

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Admittedly I haven't seen Cinderella in like 7 years, but was Cinderella really different either? Everyone keeps talking about it being different, but I thought it was very much the same (in fact I thought that was part of why I didn't like it as much as Maleficent).
Yeah, I’m not sure I get this either. Been a while since I saw it but I tend to think of Cinderella as the most frame by frame redo of all of the live action films. Outside of the animals not talking IIRC, I thought it was pretty much the exact same thing as the original.
 

erasure fan1

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I’m quoting this again because it’s such a head-scratcher to me. I cannot for the life of me understand on what basis you’re making such a claim, and with such certainty to boot. Perhaps you or someone else could point me to a source,
Here is my thoughts on this. The reason I would say sold as a direct remake is because of one thing, the trailers. I went back and rewatched the trailers for Aladdin, beauty and the beast, lion king and mermaid. And just as I remembered, they're 99% nostalgia bait. From the music they play, to the scenes and lines they put in. It's all selling "Here's the movie you know and love, only now in live action!" So maybe they have never said it, but they are sure implying it from what they show in my opinion.
 

DKampy

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Mad? I’m not mad about any of these types of changes, I’m just saying it’s not necessary and the response to it tells you why

Just create new characters. New stories. This is Disney for crying outloud. Can’t they be creative anymore? They could develop the next new hit character and movie but instead they have to keep milking old stories/characters and even worse changing the characters or even parts of the story (they feel might be controversial) for folks to question why even bother then. It’s just not wise on their part.
Disney has films with new characters out now such as Elemental and Theater Camp
 

LittleBuford

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Here is my thoughts on this. The reason I would say sold as a direct remake is because of one thing, the trailers. I went back and rewatched the trailers for Aladdin, beauty and the beast, lion king and mermaid. And just as I remembered, they're 99% nostalgia bait. From the music they play, to the scenes and lines they put in. It's all selling "Here's the movie you know and love, only now in live action!" So maybe they have never said it, but they are sure implying it from what they show in my opinion.
But Mermaid was no less faithful to the original than those other films were, except for The Lion King. Moreover, it fully delivered on whatever nostalgia its trailer promised, right down to Jodi Benson’s cameo. Disney has never promoted any of these films as direct, frame-for-frame remakes, nor did it claim or imply any higher degree of fidelity for Mermaid than for the others.
 

GhostHost1000

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Disney has films with new characters out now such as Elemental and Theater Camp
That’s great, but Disney needs to be Disney again. Be creative. Come up with the next hit princess movie without milking the old ones and ruining them in only a way Disney can do
 

EricsBiscuit

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What if the reviews are really positive and the leaked photos turn out to be misleading? Would you still let Zegler’s personal opinions stop you from experiencing and potentially enjoying the film?
That’s a big what if. I don’t deal in what ifs. What we do know about this film is sad. The lead actress’ personal opinions will absolutely have an affect on the character she is portraying and thus the overall quality of the film.
Ok… why did come to this thread then if there is no interest?
Precisely because I want to voice my opinion. The people put in charge of this film do not love the original and hate it so much that they are incapable of putting together a thoughtful, tasteful retelling of the story. Do I expect a film that came out in 1937 to be the same as one next year? No! But there is a difference between a tasteful remake and one done almost out of spite.
 

Chi84

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That’s a big what if. I don’t deal in what ifs. What we do know about this film is sad. The lead actress’ personal opinions will absolutely have an affect on the character she is portraying and thus the overall quality of the film.

Precisely because I want to voice my opinion. The people put in charge of this film do not love the original and hate it so much that they are incapable of putting together a thoughtful, tasteful retelling of the story. Do I expect a film that came out in 1937 to be the same as one next year? No! But there is a difference between a tasteful remake and one done almost out of spite.
You think Disney is doing this remake out of spite?
 
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