Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Chi84]

Yes, of course, opposing opinions are beyond obviously fine, but equal application needs to be applied for all involved.
As far as the Holocaust goes, anyone that doesn’t believe that happened is brain dead.
But, hey, free speech. You know, it’s kinda’ a thing in this country, and has been for darn near 250 years.
The best part about it is anyone can put anything they want to out there, and it’s up to us to decide.
Interference in recent years has been beyond disgustingly manipulative.

But in this suit it appears Carano is relying on a California law that gives additional protections to its citizens against being fired for making political statements. I don’t think she’s relying on a free speech claim - she wouldn’t have one against Disney.

I haven’t read the pleadings but from what’s being said here, Disney is the one possibly arguing the State of California is infringing on Disney’s right to freedom of expression.

I could try to follow up but this is probably getting too off-topic.

 

[Cliff]

But in this suit it appears Carano is relying on a California law that gives additional protections to its citizens against being fired for making political statements. I don’t think she’s relying on a free speech claim - she wouldn’t have one against Disney.

I haven’t read the pleadings but from what’s being said here, Disney is the one possibly arguing the State of California is infringing on Disney’s right to freedom of expression.

I could try to follow up but this is probably getting too off-topic.

I think that 75% percent of Gina's case will NOT focus on her getting fired with or without cause. I suspect that Disney is somewhat safe on that.

I think her case will revolve heavily on all the "malicious" and "defamatory" attacks and "harassment" stuff that went on...outside of that simple firing.

In other words,...firing somebody might be OK for any company. But, what they did to her "before" they fired her and "after" they fired her is going to burn them...if the court finds that it's all true.

If Burbank had simply fired her and said nothing more and NOT done all that internal or public "tribunal" or "witch hunt" drama to her or all that office "lynch-mob" action junk?? Fire her,...yes. But burning her at the stake in front of everybody was simply DIRTY. What HR department would allow that?

Burbank "could" have been perfectly fine today if they stayed out of the politics.

 

[Chi84]

I think that 75% percent of Gina's case will NOT focus on her getting fired with or without cause. I suspect that Disney is somewhat safe on that.

I think her case will revolve heavily on all the "malicious" and "defamatory" attacks and "harassment" stuff that went on...outside of that simple firing.

In other words,...firing somebody might be OK for any company. But, what they did to her "before" they fired her and "after" they fired her is going to burn them...if the court finds that it's all true.

If Burbank had simply fired her and said nothing more and NOT done all the internal or public "tribunal" or "witch hunt" drama to her or that office lynch-mob action junk?? Burbank would have been perfectly fine today.

That’s a big “if.” Pleadings often use hyperbolic language; the facts can pale in comparison.

 

[Cliff]

That’s a big “if.” Pleadings often use hyperbolic language; the facts can pale in comparison.

Very, VERY true Chi84!

This is why it's going to court. The evidence (or lack of it) will be deliberated and judged.

Maybe Burbank is 100% clean in this. Maybe Burbank is in serious trouble and will look VERY bad to the world. I have no idea.

We will find out in 2025. Don't worry. Elon Musk will be SURE to reveal to the world the results. When they saw Gina's evidence,..they WANTED this case badly.

 

[erasure fan1]

I preferred when celebrities were glamorous mythical figures, social media has shown they are just as biased and flawed as the rest of us, in many cases far worse.

Agreed.

The problem is that people for some reason get far too invested in the lives and opinions of the actors.

That's true. That's why it's such a wonder why Disney doesn't just lock down a social media policy. Why deal with this all the time? Lucasfilm, Disney, Marvel...It's a lose lose every time. You are allowing actors to tick off half the paying population by just allowing them to do whatever they want. And it doesn't matter what side you fall on, left, right, doesn't matter. They fired Gina and ed a lot of people off. If Disney had fired Pedro instead or as well, you off the other half. And for what? Why have your movies/shows, whatever, under fire months and months before release because some celebrity feels the need spout off on social media? It seems like a funny hill to die on for a company that LOVES money.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Zegler should be free to express her opinion.

If that's good for her career or TWDC is questionable in my opinion.

Let's see what happens.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

It's kind of inherent to their profession... to play characters and transport us to another world... they create the characters they play to whisk us into believing they're who they're playing.

If the actor/actress actively HATES me and wants me to suffer... And it's out there and they want it known... well... it becomes increasingly difficult to sit there and watch her play sweet little Snow White.

They can say anything they want of course... but their image to the public means more in their profession compared to many others.

That being said, when I hate dealing with a client, I don't loudly publicly shout out about it... let alone wish ill upon them.

 

[DKampy]

I preferred when celebrities were glamorous mythical figures, social media has shown they are just as biased and flawed as the rest of us, in many cases far worse.

The “Never meet your heroes” adage has been proven correct.

People are acting like this is some new occurrence… it is not…Marlin Brando boycotted the 1973 Oscar’s for its portrayal of native Americans…. A few celebrities have even been arrested for their protests like Jane Fonda and Sean Penn…Crlebrites are not some mythical being… they are human as much as we are…. And deserve the same rights as us…. It is up to the audience to decide if they want to support the celebrity or not

 

[Cliff]

Actors are human beings like the rest of us. Restricting their right to free speech isn't a road I want to go down.

First amendment only protects your speech from "government" action. It does not protect you from your "employer".

If Zegler used her free speech on X and posted how bad and horrible Disney was and trashed the company all over X everyday?

Yes,...any employer has the right to fire that employee. There is NO free speech protection from that action. Zeger, would of course be totally free to continue to trash Disney as a non-employee.

However, "Slander" and "defamation" is also not protected speech. You can be held liable for damages for that in court.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I will watch SW when its "free" on streaming. I cant not see it like I can not look at a car crash as I drive by.

There were hundreds of people that worked on SW and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on creating it and marketing it.

When SW fails, Zegler will have played only a small part of that failure - in my opinion.

 

[erasure fan1]

Actors are human beings like the rest of us. Restricting their right to free speech isn't a road I want to go down.

Translation, only limit what I don't want to hear, got it. Disney is a public company as I've been told many times here, and has an obligation to shareholders. Putting a policy in that doesn't allow one of their high profile actors to call half of the country a party of genocidal killers doesn't seem that out of place. It's smart business. So many on this site, including you, say the Internet hate speech is a problem. So why would you want a company you love to allow the same type of speech?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m not denying that Disney as her employer can limit her right to free speech. Rather, I’m saying that’s not a road I think we should want to go down.

I agree with you for the most part, I think her issues stem from the fact many of her early controversial comments were at press events where she was officially representing Disney. She’s free to rant and rave in her personal life (to a point) without Disney having any say but when it directly affects the company they either have to place limits on what she says or completely cut ties with her if it’s damaging their brand.

Her tone changed drastically after her initial comments, which leads me to believe Disney sat down with her and asked her to portray the original Snow White in positive ways vs negative ways, and she was doing a good job of staying controversy free for a while, then she jumped back into controversy with the free Pal comments, now her political comments, I think Disneys only options is to distance themselves from her.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don’t think it’ll do well either, but the decent box-office performance of last year’s Hunger Games installment gives the lie to the notion that Zegler is what’s going to put people off.

I agree. Good movies do well no matter who is in it.

Bad movies that have actors we love, still do bad.

Zegler will not be the primary reason why SW fails - in my opinion.

 

[erasure fan1]

That being said, when I hate dealing with a client, I don't loudly publicly shout out about it... let alone wish ill upon them.

And if you did, how would that work out for your career? I'm guessing like me, it would end poorly.

 

[LSLS]

I personally haven’t had trouble watching performances by actors whose views I find objectionable. As you said, their job is to play characters and transport us to another world—they’re not appearing as themselves.

It helps that I don’t follow any celebrity social-media accounts. If people didn’t continually post about it here, I’d have no idea what Zegler says online.

I'm not a big movie person, but I can say I absolutely have done this with music. I deleted Lost Prophets from anything I have, as well as As I Lay Dying (and others for some of their outlandish views, but those are two big ones).

 

[Cliff]

I don’t think it’ll do well either, but the decent box-office performance of last year’s Hunger Games installment gives the lie to the notion that Zegler is what’s going to put people off.

Burbank rarely fires people for social media posts they agree with. That action is reserved mostly for the posts and comments they disagrees with.

Zegler knows Burbank has her back

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You mean the comments where she seemed to criticise the original film? I really hope no-one is suggesting that that’s a fireable offence! I really don't see how those remarks can be compared to her political statements online.

I wouldn’t have blamed them for firing her over those comments, disparaging the movie that literally made the company and that is beloved by their fans was not a smart move. Instead I think they handled it internally and her tone changed drastically, it was working, until it wasn’t anymore.

The bigger issue is those comments put her in a spotlight, under a microscope, prior to her controversial SW comments I didn’t even know her name, now every time she says something controversial it shows up here on the forums and will also show up somewhere on my YouTube feed, it’s the snowball affect.

 

[Chi84]

I don't either, but when people lash out with violent rhetoric such as her and many other people have over the past month or so, it is hard to ignore the hateful comments.

Violent?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Burbank rarely fires people for social media posts they agree with. That action is reserved mostly for the posts and comments they disagrees with.

Zegler knows Burbank has her back

This is a good point! For actors who posts stuff that does not align with TWDCs agenda - they are GONE.

 

[Disney Irish]

Her words and others who speak like her are and have been spreading violent rhetoric.

She wishes no peace to individuals. What if her fans act upon those words? She is inciting violence

Ignoring the rest of your post as it's not allowed on the forum per the mods and is spreading known false rhetoric.

I think you're assigning something that isn't there just because you disagree with her, something that others try to claim the other side does as well.

Maybe this whole experiment of Social Media has gone on too long, as it seems too many read too much into the inane comments of others and take them too seriously.