Out of curiosity, how is that not considered line cutting? I understand the OP was very hesitant to do it and I respect that they were nervous and a cast member gave them permission, but it is clearly line cutting. They did not wait in line and went in front of a bunch of people who were.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Line Jumpers/Cutters
- Thread starter Hcalvert
- Start date
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
I had to visit GS at Universal Studios and there was a couple standing outside the entrance in the heat. I entered to see there was one person inside being helped in the AC. They entered and he spoke something about line jumping. It all became clear when I heard the accent. Nobody queues like the English....
He was standing in line out in the heat for _________##!!! sakes.....
He was standing in line out in the heat for _________##!!! sakes.....
tatergator1
New Member
Yes, they cut the line. However, it's not anything to actually worry about. It is easy to extend a courtesy to the person since it causes no harm to anyone and there was never any intent to deceive or game the system. Given the particular ride, going from 2 to 3 people changes nothing in terms of ride vehicle usage. Everyone in line gets in the same vehicle they would have ridden whether this person 'cut' the line or not. It was either just the original 2, or now all 3, fitting in the same ride vehicle.
But if everyone in front of you in the line does it, now you're another 200 people deep in the line. And to me, it's about the principle of it. Why do I need to stand in line for 5, 10, 15, or 60 minutes and someone else gets to walk up and bypass that wait just because they have a friend/family member in line? I'd love to have my wife wait in line while I enjoy the park knowing I have a space reserved.
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
If a cast member said come on in, then the same could be said of any “pixie dust moment” (or whatever they’re called.) Sometimes people get escorted to the front of the line, sometimes they get free merch or food, maybe a special meeting with a character, etc. I think so long as everyone is acting in reasonably good faith when it comes to playing by the rules, it’s nice to see something nice happen for someone else. YMMV on what “reasonably good faith” means, but this scenario seems fine to me.
graphite1326
Well-Known Member
I had a family of four cut in front of me on ToT. However, they kept looking back at us and stopped just before the scanner and let us go by. When they noticed the scanner wasn't working they just kept going and got into the library.
You did nothing wrong. In the past I would have done the same thing, though after having reported numerous line jumpers and had cast members do absolutely nothing I might not have done anything because it has so often been a waste of my time to say anything. Your husband sounds like a big part of the problem with line jumpers, reminds me of the time I refused to let some lady past me on a line at Disneyland. It had narrow paths so I flat out blocked her. A group she was wanting to join then starts trying to tell me to let her past and at least half a dozen other random people in line tell me to just let her through. I didn't and she finally gave up and went back out the way she came in. In a perfect world Disney would have cameras everywhere like they do in a casino and when they see a cheat like this they would send a goon squad to whisk them into some back room where they would break their leg and dump then in an alley.
IanDLBZF
Well-Known Member
Or a toll-free voice line.
WishIWasRetired
Active Member
Yes, it is line cutting but it's not something that I would let bother me. Now go to six flags Great Adventure if you want to see some serious line cutting.
Takeitforgranite
Active Member
Last week, we were at the Pandora "rope" at open. There were maybe 50 people who can claim to be be in front of us. Still people were steadily trying to squeeze their way to the front as we stood there. The 5 of us got shoulder-to-shoulder as the cast members escorted the crowd through Pandora to the FOP queue. At one point, a man and his two teenage sons were actually trying to walk off the sidewalk to get by us and others. I even heard one of the son say "Fill in all available space. Ha. Ha". One of the sons got through, but I blocked the dad and other son. After we had entered the actual FOP queue, the dad tried to push by, and I said, "Do you know how a line works?!"
He didn't even look at me and mumbled that he had to to catch up with someone. Yeah, His son who skipped the line. Needless to say, his other son stayed behind us all the way until until groups were split up.
I've gotten to where I hate doing rope drop because I can't stand the way people act in those situations. It's just not worth getting the whole family up early to have to deal with that.
He didn't even look at me and mumbled that he had to to catch up with someone. Yeah, His son who skipped the line. Needless to say, his other son stayed behind us all the way until until groups were split up.
I've gotten to where I hate doing rope drop because I can't stand the way people act in those situations. It's just not worth getting the whole family up early to have to deal with that.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
I sometimes arrived before rope drop, but never to intentionally do rope drop. I never saw the greatness of it. It was just a group of pre-sweaty people impatiently getting into the racing blocks trying to make a made charge to whatever the most popular attraction was. In the 80's Space Mountain was the one to get too and the moment we were let in there was a made charge to get there. We used to go to the left at the end of Main Street and started with the first attraction and just kept going around the big circle. We would meet the crowd that had sprinted at rope drop on the way back around counter clockwise somewhere around Small World. By then the average Guest would be arriving around 10am. At the time there was just one line and it switched back and forth for what seemed like miles. That system set itself up for more opportunities to cut the line, but we had all established a short term relationship and knew who was trying to cut and where they were and we simply created a road block not letting people pass by us. But to be honest the way the queue's were originally it wasn't as much of a big deal. The line moved constantly so one or two people thinking they were clever by jumping the line really didn't make a dent in things.
What was a problem was when large groups, like from Brazil would plant one person in the line and then have the rest of the touring group try to squeeze through the line to "get to their friends". It only took a few cutting before we all just made it stop and when we could get access to a CM we would let them know. It usually ended up with the first part of the group having to wait outside at the end of the ride to have the rest of their group catchup, so they never really gained anything other than a group chant. I haven't heard much about those Brazilian Tour groups lately. Have they stopped going to WDW? If they have that might account for some of the slowdown. There were a lot of them and they spent bucket loads of money.
What was a problem was when large groups, like from Brazil would plant one person in the line and then have the rest of the touring group try to squeeze through the line to "get to their friends". It only took a few cutting before we all just made it stop and when we could get access to a CM we would let them know. It usually ended up with the first part of the group having to wait outside at the end of the ride to have the rest of their group catchup, so they never really gained anything other than a group chant. I haven't heard much about those Brazilian Tour groups lately. Have they stopped going to WDW? If they have that might account for some of the slowdown. There were a lot of them and they spent bucket loads of money.
DisneyFanatic12
Well-Known Member
Oh, they’re still there. Not as many as there once were, though they seem to have just ramped up a little recently. Was in the Test Track single rider line and the CM asked the person how many were in the group. They said 112. The cast member just told them to take any car they like but to fill in every seat…
I do think that inflation is too much for many tourists out-of-country. Universal doesn’t see nearly as many as they once did either…
tanc
Premium Member
Necroing the thread just to say I have seen so many line jumpers lately. At the end of the day, I suppose it barely makes a difference in the wait but it's just so rude to me. I never saw a single line cutter in Tokyo Disney while I was there. It simply amazes me by how dishonest people can be.
Weather_Lady
Well-Known Member
Agreed. When we were at MK in August (after waiting an hour in 95-degree heat until rope drop), a Karen and her son strolled up to the 7DMT permanent queue entrance at park opening time, casually ducked under the rope (and in front of several hundred people who'd formed a queue that led from that entrance, all the way back through Fantasyland), and charged forward through the line. A CM standing 6 feet away pretended not to notice, but it was all I could do not to say something every time we met her smug little face coming toward us through a switchback.
Line cutters, people who discard clothes in piles on store dressing room floors, people who leave their carts in the middle of parking lots, people who throw trash on the ground... sadly, the world is full of people who casually choose to leave it a worse place for their having been there, instead of a better one. I try to do as Mr. Rogers said and focus on those who are busy helping, but it's not easy.
Last edited:
jloucks
Well-Known Member
In my opinion, this is part of the burgeoning attitude of "I will do whatever I want, and I don't care if you don't like it."
Remember back prior to the 00's society seemed to push the concepts "good manners" and "Etiquette"? Think about it, when is the last time you heard any focus on those concepts? Been a while. It is out of style to worry about how you affect others. Now it is about how others need to accommodate you. This is a core philosophical change and has both good and bad repercussions. I will say, self-esteem levels are way up. Yay? Where does esteem become narcissism? Trick question, it is all on a spectrum.
"Children should be seen and not heard" will get CPS called on you.
It spans all areas of society, from homeowners associations to personal appearance to the teacher-student dynamic.
Immediately, my arduous daily commute comes to mind. From the last-minute cut-ins, the slow folks in the fast lane, the last-minute merge maniacs, the soccer dads and spandex-bicyclists who have to run to Walmart during rush hour, to the people that insist on parking in front of my house, the experience is just rank with people who clearly don't have a concern past their own agenda.
The other place I am seeing this is in one of my favorite restaurants. This is a $120+ a person joint. You go there for the entire experience. In the last 10 years, there is a drastic increase of men wearing hats and Hawaiian shirts w' shorts while dining. Sure, the establishment could set a dress code, but should they have to? I will say, the women seem to get it.
Everyone's defense for the boorish behavior is almost always... "it is my right" and/or "it is none of your business".
The thing is, technically, they are right. The battle for considering others before one's self is long lost.
NelleBelle
Well-Known Member
I nearly got into it with a family, unfortunately, at Frozen last month. I use DAS and scanned in and was waiting for my mom to scan in (she uses a scooter). This family pushed by us as we were approaching the tap styles (there were 4 of them at that point. They literally cut me off as I was about to scan in. I was very irritated but in keeping with the theme, “let it go.” That was my mindset until this couple very snarkily pushed in front of my mom (after we’d been in queue for 10 min) saying they needed to join there family in front of us. By that point I’d had it and told them that their family cut in front of us they might as well too. So the first group tries to claim that they “didn’t see us in line for the tap style” which I find hard to believe as they cut an elderly person off who was in a scooter and I said this. So then they pull the “well, you go in front” passive aggressive nonsense. I refused to move and said they felt the need to rush into the queue they should certainly go in front. The couple refused to move and I said that was their perogotiave but they were holding e ruined else behind us up.
I probably didn’t need to lose my cool but they were the last straw after having had so many people cut my mom off in her scooter. And to say they didn’t see her when they blatantly cut in front of both of us was ridiculous. Had the first group not cut us off, I could’ve cared less if the couple came up a few minutes later. But I’d reached my point for the day.
I probably didn’t need to lose my cool but they were the last straw after having had so many people cut my mom off in her scooter. And to say they didn’t see her when they blatantly cut in front of both of us was ridiculous. Had the first group not cut us off, I could’ve cared less if the couple came up a few minutes later. But I’d reached my point for the day.
happymom25
Active Member
It drives me crazy when people just push through lines. I blocked some college aged kids from cutting in front of us on FOP. I saw them moving fast through the line and pushing through people behind us. So when they got up to us I said no you can’t go. They pretended to not speak English and then said (in perfect English) we’re looking for our mom. I said no you’re not. And we just formed a human blockade with the family in front of us who we’d been chatting with.
Eric Graham
Well-Known Member
I was surprised when I was at Disney recently when someone in line actually said something to a line jumper. Usually, they just skip on by and no one says anything at all to them. I guess that's why they continually do it.
