Sirwalterraleigh
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I didn’t even realize it went the way of the Egyptians at the Red Sea?…
Good. Frankly
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I didn’t even realize it went the way of the Egyptians at the Red Sea?…
Good. Frankly
Disney Irish
Premium Member
The same poster had been posting about the demise of Pixar in that thread due to the negative critic reception of Elemental. That is what they are talking about.
Try to keep up.
The audience plays its part, like it or not. Even if Disney put out one of the best quality films in generations if it doesn't appeal to the audience it doesn't matter.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You’re both on a tangent then. But the point that Pixar isn’t gaining ground - like the other Disney film divisions - is still valid.
The audience buys or it doesn’t…there’s not some vast conspiracy to make things “suck” when they don’t.
You really need to catch up to that.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Welcome to the forum where every thread goes off on a tangent.
No one claimed it wasn't.
Audiences are a fickle bunch. If the "code" was really cracked every film put out by every studio would be a hit, but they aren't.
Hollywood is littered with over a 100 years worth of films that "should" have connected with audiences but didn't.
So while there is lots of blame to throw at TWDC for their formulaic way they make movies such as the remakes there isn't some special sauce either. The pendulum that is film success will swing back in the direction of TWDC eventually.
Yeah I’m the one who doom and gloom about this ridiculous overreaction about that the end of Pixar and I apologize for that.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
Pixar was probably the closest a company ever came to cracking the code, they had a 20 year run of nothing but hits. When they fired their top guy they lost it.
Shill hear, to point out that Good Dinosaur and Cars 2 ruined that streak.
But Cars 2 wasn't actually bad at all, it was just people being snobbish and having too narrow an idea of what a Pixar film is. The Good Dinosaur is an actually bad film, though. Even so, I think Disney and Pixar would hugely benefit if Lasseter was allowed back, and I hope Iger does that.
Kirby86
Well-Known Member
I'll give you the Good Dinosaur but Cars 2 made the studio money.
Using the "rule of thumb," Car 2 lost money in the theatrical run, as well as having poor reviews from critics and audience.
It was so poorly received that it 'poisoned the well' for Car 3, which, while getting better reviews, lost even more money than Cars 2.
erasure fan1
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You are correct. The movie would have just made it back to even depending on marketing. It had a stupid 200mil budget so it's 560mil would be close if the marketing was around 50mil. Now the movie was far from a financial failure overall. It was a merchandising juggernaut. Oh man did they sell some cars merch.
In a regular world without COVID, these films all would've been massively successful, and you know it. In addition, a lot of people deliberately wanted these films to fail, hence all the canned, assembly-line reviews and the "get woke, go broke" trolls putting their thumb on the scale.
There is nothing "wrong" with Pixar, it's doing very well, thank you. Of course, things can always be better, there's always room for improvement. I will never forgive how Alan Horn shivved Lasseter, though, especially in how the company didn't defend him against the hatchet job article in The Hollywood Reporter. The company needed to get out there and say, "He's a good man, leave him alone."
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
Interesting side note, Elemental will be Peter Sohns second time writing and directing a full length feature film, his first was Good Dinosaur.
All those movies got good to great reviews from critics and audiences (Lightyear was just fair to good, tho.)
Look at Onward's release date. Do you remember what was happening in March of 2020? I know of a popular St. Patrick's Day party (March 17) in my community which got cancelled (before lockdowns) because they couldn't sell enough tickets because people were starting to get worried and were self-distancing.
Luca, Soul, and Turning Red did not get wide releases. They went to D+ ('for free' -- no premium charge) in order to goose sub numbers at the streamer. So, we don't know if they would have been profitable in a theatrical run or not.
I understand if people didn't like them. But to say they failed or it was a terrible run is false (other than Lightyear) with regard to critics and audience. If one thinks they were a terrible run in their own opinion, then, that's just a personal opinion.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
I think "massively" is a bit of a stretch. Onward had already not been a massively successful opening before the lockdowns started. I think Luca might have done ok. From what I've seen, at best they'd have been average in my opinion. None of them will be considered Pixar classics like toy story, nemo, incredibles, up, coco...
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Sorry but while Pixar had a decent run, "cracking" the code for the long term was never going to be a sure thing. Audiences mature and so do tastes, what worked 20-30 years ago may not work today.
Also no offense but Lasseter is not some audience whisperer. Just look at the first film release he was involved with post-Pixar:
Certainly not encouraging.....
That's because he's still nursing his broken heart. He's clearly depressed, and it affected him. Especially because this whole THR manufactroversy is provably untrue, but Disney didn't go out to defend him. I think he's internalized that pain, and now it's affected his art. But if Disney allowed him to come back, he could bounce back very easily.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Sorry don't buy that, he ever really was an audience whisperer it seems it was for a different generation which doesn't apply to today's audience. We'll see how Spellbound does when its finally released, if it ever gets released, but I'm not encouraged.
His time may have past....
I couldn't agree more. I'm done with Lasseter.
So, why wasn't it actually proven to be untrue?
THR wasn't the only outlet carrying the accusations against him.