JIMMYEDDIE
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Maybe........But instead of saving for 5 years to do that trip, they now have to save for 8.......
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JMcMahonEsq
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I can see a couple flaws with your reasoning here.
First, you, like most people on this site, are intimately familiar with the parks. You know how LLPP works, and its previous versions. You know what rides will sell out quickly, which ones won't and wat to target for your pre-selections and then Rise. Someone who is going to the park for the first time and/or someone who is planning on this being a one and done lifetime trip, won't have that information.
Second, you know looking today, what the wait times are for those other rides. Someone planning a trip looking forward won't have the information and won't know is this a standard day, or a crazy busy one.
third, you know how to navigate the app, finding what available and what fits into your schedule. And if you miss one thing, its likely not a huge deal. You have likely been to the park and seen it before, and potentially going in the future to see it again. A first timer and single trip person won't have thos options.
So yes for you, the value is likely not there for the $1,000 premium. But for someone with no experience, already paying a large amount of money for a Diseny trip at a deluxe resort to be able in advance to purchase this feature, not have to worry about apps, wait time, choosing which ride to skip line first, ect., I certainly can see value. For someone who this is the only time they are going to be going to WDW and they want to make sure they get to see it all, I can also see for them the value there.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Or maybe, if they move to the premier pass only, it changes the mindset of guests in that standby is the norm.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
DVC owners always have yearly dues. Accommodations don't cost them "nothing".
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
The value in this isn't the ride count, the value of this is the convenience. It is quite easy to hit every ride in 3/4 parks if you spend all day in them.
However, for the people that have extreme wealth, having a nice morning at their deluxe resort, popping into a park from noon to 6 (hitting every ride with minimal wait and no zig zagging), then going to a fancy dinner somewhere is probably quite appealing.
If you are looking for "value" consider trying to hit 3 parks in 1 day without too much worry. Rope drop/LLMP EPCOT with a LLSP for Guardians. Head to Animal kingdom in the early afternoon, continuing LLMP and a LLSP for FOP. Finally head to DHS in the evening with LLPP (and LLMP for re-rides)
nickys
Premium Member
True. But their guests are getting theirs for nothing. Most DVC members vacationing on their own are very unlikely to splurge on this. There are exceptions of course. But if taking first-time or infrequent guests, or gifting points, those guests aren’t paying anything.
JD80
Well-Known Member
This is basically the opposite of the target audience for this product offering. You are spending way too much time thinking about this.
Indy_UK
Well-Known Member
lots of ways they can do it without having to offer free skip the line options.
maybe bring magical express back and make everyone pay unless your in Deluxe or DVC.
they already do the extra magic hours which maybe enough
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I'm assuming nothing can really be concluded after 1 day other than the parks are slow, but only Tiana, Tron, Slinky, Remy, and Frozen have sold out for the day.
JMcMahonEsq
Well-Known Member
the cost of a VIP tour is $450-950 PER HOUR, with a minimum of 7 Hours. and does NOT include park tickets.
that's 3,150 to 6,650 per day, as opposed to the 1,038 extra per day being discussed above.
VIP tours have been around for years, and they find plenty of people willing to purchase them. How in the world is something 3 to 6 times LESS expensive almost unattainable?
MrPromey
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In the existing two parks?
Heck yeah they do.
As for the new one, this is one of many things we're all wondering about but long-term, I imagine they will because this park was literally built from the ground up in a line-skip-scheme world. It's the only one in Florida that has been.
We'll see, though.
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MrPromey
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Or they slot into group two.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Altho you make extremely valid points. Disney imo is trying to make even more money from this new product so the theory imo is flawed. As long as LL lines remain at a decent wait time they will
Not forego any money they can get from any product they can offer…
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Lol. PP isn't 3-6x cheaper than VIP. One could argue it's actually more expensive for what you get.
4 parks, park hopping, guide, unlimited riding 10 people etc.
It's not apples to apples.
What im saying is, the alternative is a $/@$@") ton cheaper making this not worth it for what you get (1 park. 1 ride only, no guide)
If you have that kind of money, VIP is worth it WAY more than LLPP. At $449pp peak pricing at MK and you have 10 people, would you rather pay
1) $4,500 for PP
Or
2) $5,900 for VIP for 7 hours
Or
3) $520 for LLMP/LLSP
That's a no brainer to me. PP would be dead last (and actually not even an option)
For large groups in MK, PP will be more money than a VIP tour at certain times
10 people x $329pp = $3,290
Vs
$450 x 7 hours = $3,150
Point is, this product is SEVERELY overpriced vs its alternative and VIP is much more value than PP
Just not sure who would pay for it, there's zero value in it. When it's slower, LLMP and LLSP will be more than adequate, especially for the price. When it's busier, you get WAY more bang for ur buck doing VIP
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JMcMahonEsq
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I don’t care really about your subjective value of the difference choices are. People can argue about personal value all they want. The comment was in connection with the idea that spending 1,000 is somehow amazingly out of reach for families, when people have been spending 4-6K a day for private tours for years.
You for some reason have this massive problem with an offering you have never used. Great, good for you don’t buy it. But to say there isn’t anyone who could find value in it is absurd.
And as many people have already realized this isn’t meant to be markets to the masses. It’s an attempt to fill a niche between standard LL and VIP. It’s not meant to be a mass seller. Getting one family of 4 per park per day will see almost 6M in additional revenue for next to nothing. Get 2 families your at 12M, ect.
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JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Hmmm. Interesting take. Common sense not ur thing I guess. Thanks for playing
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Add the cost of the including the guide to your numbers.
Common suggests credit card processing fees is the major expense to Disney.
Every attraction is basically a walk on. A walk on the busiest days of the year. Common sense suggests some guests might be interested in such a product.
DIS members plan and overplan. Many of the discussions are on saving money. Discussions on club level frequently focus on consuming enough food and drink to offset the extra cost.
Common sense suggests most DIS members aren't the target market
Common sense suggests an affluent family of 4 won't be on the internet looking to find 6 more to max out a VIP tour. Common sense suggests I won't be tipping with LLPP but will be tipping a tour guide. Common sense suggests some famlies will have a meal during their tour.
Add the cost of the including the guide to your numbers.
Common suggests credit card processing fees is the major expense to Disney.
Every attraction is basically a walk on. A walk on the busiest days of the year. Common sense suggests some guests might be interested in such a product.
DIS members plan and overplan. Many of the discussions are on saving money. Discussions on club level frequently focus on consuming enough food and drink to offset the extra cost.
Common sense suggests most DIS members aren't the target market
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JD80
Well-Known Member
I'll repeat this again, if you have to look at the cost of this product and calculate the value per ride it was never meant for you regardless if you can afford it or not.
This product is targeted at people who can easily afford it, want to save time and be able to purchase convenance and not bother with a more expensive VIP tour. It's pretty simple.
This product is targeted at people who can easily afford it, want to save time and be able to purchase convenance and not bother with a more expensive VIP tour. It's pretty simple.
JMcMahonEsq
Well-Known Member
Translation, I have nothing to argue and nothing object to add. I just don't like it so no one should use it.