Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Semantics? No.

This is what you wrote:



Every time I’ve visited WDW, there’s been a new friggin “Fastpass” system. And each time I have adapted and learned how the latest system works, in advance, so that I can use it to maximum effect.

Coming for longer trips but infrequently doesn’t mean we feel we can just skip some things “because we can do it next time”. There may not be a next time.

So if we do return and there’s an option to forget the planning and just ride everything in MK in a day without having to plan at all, then you bet I’ll consider it.

I can’t live “literally”…I try it and it just doesn’t fit

Pay me no mind

 

[Chi84]

The “some people think it’s worth it”…doesn’t cut it.

I’m not sure what you mean. The people who think the product is worth it buy the product, right?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not sure what you mean. The people who think the product is worth it buy the product, right?

It doesn’t affect how they design or raise prices. Historically.

They tossed small numbers out as outliers

The sales tactics appear to be much different now…but the effect is the same. Now they seem to try to lean on passing interest and social media to create a “demand strawman” and hold prices that don’t work to steer people into them…hoping for more windfalls with patience.

In a word: “worse”

 

[nickys]

I’m not sure what you mean. The people who think the product is worth it buy the product, right?

I think that’s his way of saying that those people who think it’s worth it are ruining the parks for everyone else and are therefore responsible for every bad decision made by Disney.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again it may or may not be a marketing ploy for AH events and parties but they “sell out” way too early imo for them to constantly being cutting sales. I can honestly say any “sold out” party ive been to have had the same feel
Crowd wise for most part none of them sensed any less crowds where it was a “lie” again. Thats 1 party a year i get it but just using myself as a reference.
If things “sold out” day of them yes i would agree but we have sold out nights deep what are they gaining?

If you go back to the threads that magic does to cover them…including this past week…most of the AH and Xmas dates “sell out” very close

The AH are never more than a day or two out.

The Halloween ones sell out much sooner. It’s that “great idea” that everyone has to do…making it suck. Which wasn’t the point.

Similar to everyone in New Jersey thinking they “discovered” dvc around 2010…they suck too

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think that’s his way of saying that those people who think it’s worth it are ruining the parks for everyone else and are therefore responsible for every bad decision made by Disney.

Right ballpark…wrong section

My stance is nothing is “ruined” by the sales…but it does influence future price tactics.

And that’s fine…buy away. But many think Their decisions never affect anyone else. Which never made sense in the world we live in.

I just advocate to look it that way before you buy…especially if the product is “iffy”

I think this one is definitely iffy

 

[Chi84]

I think that’s his way of saying that those people who think it’s worth it are ruining the parks for everyone else and are therefore responsible for every bad decision made by Disney.

Even if that was somehow true, it’s a pointless argument.

There are too many variables to control what people buy.

It’s the free market at work. When enough people stop finding a product worthwhile they will stop buying it. But that can take quite awhile.

A much better solution would be less short-sighted management from Disney.

 

[Chi84]

Right ballpark…wrong section

My stance is nothing is “ruined” by the sales…but it does influence future price tactics.

And that’s fine…buy away. But many think Their decisions never affect anyone else. Which never made sense in the world we live in.

I just advocate to look it that way before you buy…especially if the product is “iffy”

I think this one is definitely iffy

Oh I think people understand how buying a product affects other people. In the context of WDW visits, I seriously doubt that would cause them to forgo buying something they want.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh I think people understand how buying a product affects other people. In the context of WDW visits, I seriously doubt that would cause them to forgo buying something they want.

…you have more faith that I do…for sure

 

[Chi84]

…you have more faith that I do…for sure

How on earth does that show “more faith?”

I’m literally saying people know and don’t care.

If you’re taking the position that people would stop buying line skips if only they understood they were making things worse for others . . . that’s having unwarranted faith in people.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I think it is just people that have the money and want the convenience of walking up whenever they want and riding a ride with minimal wait. Just the ease is worth it to them - somewhat similar to paying for the after hours as that makes it easy to ride things too - this is just ramped up the cost and for the full day

I also think for some FP+, etc trained people that any sort of standby wait is bad and should be avoided or is like an achievement to avoid it - even if only 20mins

From what I am reading, those buying this are often people who really dislike using their phone to refresh/scrounge for passes and/or find LLMP too confusing.

Many are, as you say, thinking that PP gives them all day access. While in reality, the LL really only matters for about 4-5 rides in AK, 4-5 in Epcot (until TT reopens), 8 in HS, and about 10-12 in MK.

They may not be thinking through that translates to about $40-50 per LL in AK, $53-66 in Epcot, $45 in HS, and 38-45.50 for MK (assuming they have the endurance to do all the worthwhile LL) - but rather as you suggest- basing the decision on emotion.

The current standby by for Buzz is 30, Soarin' 35, Aliens SS 35, and Dinosaur 35. Those are some of the rides I'm including.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How on earth does that show “more faith?”

I’m literally saying people know and don’t care.

If you’re taking the position that people would stop buying line skips if only they understood they were making things worse for others . . . that’s having unwarranted faith in people.

I don’t think they know…they’re in a “me” world. I’m not accusing bad intentions…just General aloofness

I do remember you saying people were smart enough to decide how to handle COVID too…in regards to parks

Not sure that prediction came true?

 

[Chi84]

I don’t think they know…they’re in a “me” world. I’m not accusing bad intentions…just General aloofness

I do remember you saying people were smart enough to decide how to handle COVID too…in regards to parks

Not sure that prediction came true?

You don’t seem to understand me too often so I’m not sure about COVID.

Okay so you believe that - for whatever reason -people don’t know that buying line skip systems is detrimental to other guests.

Do you believe that making people aware of that fact will cause them to use the standby lanes instead of buying Disney’s LL products?

 

[Agent H]

You don’t seem to understand me too often so I’m not sure about COVID.

Okay so you believe that - for whatever reason -people don’t know that buying line skip systems is detrimental to other guests.

Do you believe that making people aware of that fact will cause them to use the standby lanes instead of buying Disney’s LL products?

No. Some people can’t even be expected to not lie about having a disability.