Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Splash4eva]

For many even 30 minutes is too long of a wait

For my family, it's not a big deal as we are used to 90 minute waits for rides at other parks.

I don't look at $ per attraction for PP, I look at for the price it works for how we tour the parks. It less planning involved.

@Sirwalterraleigh point is it doesn't make a lot of sense to pay the money it costs for LLMP or Premier Pass for mostly old attractions you've been on multiple times.

But the people at least from my experiences are one who A) can afford it bc spending 4-5k extra is nothing to them or B) people that are coming for a trip every 3-4-5 years and dont wanna deal with any line or any aggravation of the app whatsover.


Ill ask everyone this question …

People are bashing basically anyone spending money on this product which lets face it gives you instant access and instant “value” and instant satisfaction. Yet people have no issues with those who are spending north of 7-800 a night at a deluxe sometimes more for what? To say they stayed Deluxe. When in fact you are barely in the room. I can afford it but i stay value each and every time. Im saving myself at least around 4-500 a night from a monorail hotel on a 5 night stay thats basically 2500 imo others are wasting especially those who are gonna be in parks majority of time. I much rather spend that money on a line skip system then a hotel stay thats for sure…

 

[Purduevian]

But the people at least from my experiences are one who A) can afford it bc spending 4-5k extra is nothing to them or B) people that are coming for a trip every 3-4-5 years and dont wanna deal with any line or any aggravation of the app whatsover.


Ill ask everyone this question …

People are bashing basically anyone spending money on this product which lets face it gives you instant access and instant “value” and instant satisfaction. Yet people have no issues with those who are spending north of 7-800 a night at a deluxe sometimes more for what? To say they stayed Deluxe. When in fact you are barely in the room. I can afford it but i stay value each and every time. Im saving myself at least around 4-500 a night from a monorail hotel on a 5 night stay thats basically 2500 imo others are wasting especially those who are gonna be in parks majority of time. I much rather spend that money on a line skip system then a hotel stay thats for sure…

I agree with you... it's almost like different people value different things by different amounts. I don't think LLPP is for suckers, but it's just not for me.

 

[Jrb1979]

But the people at least from my experiences are one who A) can afford it bc spending 4-5k extra is nothing to them or B) people that are coming for a trip every 3-4-5 years and dont wanna deal with any line or any aggravation of the app whatsover.


Ill ask everyone this question …

People are bashing basically anyone spending money on this product which lets face it gives you instant access and instant “value” and instant satisfaction. Yet people have no issues with those who are spending north of 7-800 a night at a deluxe sometimes more for what? To say they stayed Deluxe. When in fact you are barely in the room. I can afford it but i stay value each and every time. Im saving myself at least around 4-500 a night from a monorail hotel on a 5 night stay thats basically 2500 imo others are wasting especially those who are gonna be in parks majority of time. I much rather spend that money on a line skip system then a hotel stay thats for sure…

I'm not bashing anyone using it. It makes sense of you are someone who doesn't go that often., like those who you said. 3-4-5 years apart.

My point is if you are someone who goes 1-2 times a year, and ridden these attractions multiple times, why spend the money for something you've many times before.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I personally don't think LLMP doesn't make sense either. Unless it's a once in a lifetime vacation or once every few years, I don't get paying the money for a short wait on something you've been on multiple times.

So you do get people spending money on flights, hotels, park tickets, food, taking vacation time, to go on rides they have been on multiple times, but you don't get that people don't want spend money so that when they do invest all the money and time from above, that they don't want to waste the day standing in lines?

 

[Splash4eva]

I'm not bashing anyone using it. It makes sense of you are someone who doesn't go that often., like those who you said. 3-4-5 years apart.

My point is if you are someone who goes 1-2 times a year, and ridden these attractions multiple times, why spend the money for something you've many times before.

To play devils advocate… why go at all that often? There is nothing new. It costs moe for less. Rides and attractions are for most part in worse condition. Let me know if i should keep going? And this is not targeted at you at all. Im just as i said playing devils advocate here. Most people think im nuts to go annually even tho its literally something that doesnt change any other vacation plans i make for the year. They say okay if thats the case go elsewhere

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But the people at least from my experiences are one who A) can afford it bc spending 4-5k extra is nothing to them or B) people that are coming for a trip every 3-4-5 years and dont wanna deal with any line or any aggravation of the app whatsover.


Ill ask everyone this question …

People are bashing basically anyone spending money on this product which lets face it gives you instant access and instant “value” and instant satisfaction. Yet people have no issues with those who are spending north of 7-800 a night at a deluxe sometimes more for what? To say they stayed Deluxe. When in fact you are barely in the room. I can afford it but i stay value each and every time. Im saving myself at least around 4-500 a night from a monorail hotel on a 5 night stay thats basically 2500 imo others are wasting especially those who are gonna be in parks majority of time. I much rather spend that money on a line skip system then a hotel stay thats for sure…

That’s the vanity of Disney travelers…many believe the more they spend, the more “made it” they are…

But the world doesn’t work that way. Blowing twice the money for the same thing a few years apart isn’t a symbol of “wealth” or “strength”…it’s just vanity.

And we all know this well…especially on forums

For those that have been around awhile…think of all the posts you’ve read of people immediately talking about buying whatever they roll out - often even before they bother to investigate what it is?
Or casually mention repeatedly their 6 dvc contacts? That one is the height of stupidity…you can only be in one place at one time and blowing points on rooms too big for your needs just to say you can just never washed

 

[Chi84]

You’d be surprised and how quickly I can peg someone. It’s really not the mutant superpower people assume it is

Okay, so how about answering my question.

You don’t seem to understand me too often so I’m not sure about COVID.

Okay so you believe that - for whatever reason -people don’t know that buying line skip systems is detrimental to other guests.

Do you believe that making people aware of that fact will cause them to use the standby lanes instead of buying Disney’s LL products?

 

[DisneyCane]

But the people at least from my experiences are one who A) can afford it bc spending 4-5k extra is nothing to them or B) people that are coming for a trip every 3-4-5 years and dont wanna deal with any line or any aggravation of the app whatsover.


Ill ask everyone this question …

People are bashing basically anyone spending money on this product which lets face it gives you instant access and instant “value” and instant satisfaction. Yet people have no issues with those who are spending north of 7-800 a night at a deluxe sometimes more for what? To say they stayed Deluxe. When in fact you are barely in the room. I can afford it but i stay value each and every time. Im saving myself at least around 4-500 a night from a monorail hotel on a 5 night stay thats basically 2500 imo others are wasting especially those who are gonna be in parks majority of time. I much rather spend that money on a line skip system then a hotel stay thats for sure…

My main "issue" with it is that I suspect a high percentage of people who buy this are "yolo" types that can't really afford it and just throw it on their credit card. Then, if their credit card balance gets out of control they just file bankruptcy in a couple of years but they got their "yolo" experience.

I know people (and have relatives) who are like this. They don't care if they have to file bankruptcy. I have a cousin that filed 3 times so far. They spend with reckless abandon, run up huge debt, file bankruptcy, survive until it is off of their credit report, build credit again and repeat.

Before somebody says that I shouldn't care what other people do, people like that increase my banking costs because when they get debt forgiven it ends up being paid for by people who don't file bankruptcy.

I would not be surprised at all if AT LEAST half of the people who buy this fall into the "yolo" category that can't really afford it.

 

[Splash4eva]

That’s the vanity of Disney travelers…many believe the more they spend, the more “made it” they are…

But the world doesn’t work that way. Blowing twice the money for the same thing a few years apart isn’t a symbol of “wealth” or “strength”…it’s just vanity.

And we all know this well…especially on forums

For those that have been around awhile…think of all the posts you’ve read of people immediately talking about buying whatever they roll out - often even before they bother to investigate what it is?
Or casually mention repeatedly their 6 dvc contacts? That one is the height of stupidity…you can only be in one place at one time and blowing points on rooms too big for your needs just to say you can just never washed

Im strictly talking about things that show immediate gains. People worth double digits millions or making 7 figure salaries. So 5k is nothing

 

[Purduevian]

Im strictly talking about things that show immediate gains. People worth double digits millions or making 7 figure salaries. So 5k is nothing

If someone makes $1,000,000 a year. 5k is .5% of their annual salary
The average American makes $66,622 . ~$333 is 5% of their annual salary.

If someone told me I could drop $333 (or whatever the equivalent of .5% of my salary is) on my Disney trip to buy LLPP, I would jump on it.

 

[Splash4eva]

If someone makes $1,000,000 a year. 5k is .5% of their annual salary
The average American makes $66,622 . ~$333 is 5% of their annual salary.

If someone told me I could drop $333 (or whatever the equivalent of .5% of my salary is) on my Disney trip to buy LLPP, I would jump on it.

Thats my point and Disney is catering to these people again. The product cost nothing for them and is basically pure profit

 

[nickys]

If you rope drop and stay until close you can ride everything standby with no planning required.

I could. But I’ve never rope dropped a WDW park, and usually stay 4-5 hours, take a break and sometimes go back in the evening. That is a vacation to me. I cook breakfast in the villa for those who want and then head out to the parks. Or go for a swim first and then hit the parks at noon.

That’s the upside of longer trips for us, being able to take things at a leisurely pace. Not spending 14 hours in a theme park. If we’re heading somewhere like Kennedy we’ll get going quicker in the morning. And might dip into a park in the evening for a couple of hours.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I could. But I’ve never rope dropped a WDW park, and usually stay 4-5 hours, take a break and sometimes go back in the evening. That is a vacation to me. I cook breakfast in the villa for those who want and then head out to the parks. Or go for a swim first and then hit the parks at noon.

That’s the upside of longer trips for us, being able to take things at a leisurely pace. Not spending 14 hours in a theme park. If we’re heading somewhere like Kennedy we’ll get going quicker in the morning. And might dip into a park in the evening for a couple of hours.

You just put bobs crosshairs squarely on you

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Im strictly talking about things that show immediate gains. People worth double digits millions or making 7 figure salaries. So 5k is nothing

That comprises an Infintecimal % of the clientele.

Disney parks aren’t built for them. They’re designed for people to attend while “going up” to get them…not going down. Way down for high earners. Food court isn’t a great option there.

And both domestic compounds thrive on REPEAT customers. That’s its lifeblood. So do the line skip tactics make sense?…at all? Jack the price of an annual to $2000 and include some version of it. They will make WAY more money longterm.

It’s still astonishing we spent…5?…years with a Straight face talking about “luxury” and “whales”…and some believed it!

Never got passed the sniffer

 

[Disstevefan1]

If you rope drop and stay until close you can ride everything standby with no planning required.

The thought of that makes me WANT to purchase LLPP

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The thought of that makes me WANT to purchase LLPP

…you got a point there

Lining up in the mob and running all day to get on mine train seems at least as useless to me than paying $50 a ride for it

The product is the ambience and theme consistency…the rides don’t cut it. That’s a minor component

 

[Splash4eva]

That comprises an Infintecimal % of the clientele.

Disney parks aren’t built for them. They’re designed for people to attend while “going up” to get them…not going down. Way down for high earners. Food court isn’t a great option there.

And both domestic compounds thrive on REPEAT customers. That’s its lifeblood. So do the line skip tactics make sense?…at all? Jack the price of an annual to $2000 and include some version of it. They will make WAY more money longterm.

It’s still astonishing we spent…5?…years with a Straight face talking about “luxury” and “whales”…and some believed it!

Never got passed the sniffer

But this product is exactly for them…
The regular one is for peasants like us lol
The ILL are for people who feel its worth the price which imo it is. We literally just paid for FoP for our AK day and we had DAS
This premiere is for people who basically have the money dont wanna be bothered and as i said some of whom feel they are saving money bc they no longer need to do “tours” and can simply tell their wives to buy this and walk on any ride at any time and its a win win for everyone. Im not saying this is good or bad but again. I can say this when this product was “sold out” LL lines were the worst ive seen in years way worse than before DAS changes. Again it was a 4 day park trip w hopping. Im not defending the product but again its providing a service people definitely asked for

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But this product is exactly for them…
The regular one is for peasants like us lol
The ILL are for people who feel its worth the price which imo it is. We literally just paid for FoP for our AK day and we had DAS
This premiere is for people who basically have the money dont wanna be bothered and as i said some of whom feel they are saving money bc they no longer need to do “tours” and can simply tell their wives to buy this and walk on any ride at any time and its a win win for everyone. Im not saying this is good or bad but again. I can say this when this product was “sold out” LL lines were the worst ive seen in years way worse than before DAS changes. Again it was a 4 day park trip w hopping. Im not defending the product but again its providing a service people definitely asked for

Management lies constantly

Because they said that stuff…never meant it was true of even could sell it to themselves

There are not alot of those people. And I hate being right…but we now have proof of a long held prediction…they’re Declining in a boom. They’ve outkicked their coverage.

You don’t make more with less. This doesn’t help. It’s fools errand