Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t think it’s close
And I have the suspicion (just that) that the only people paying for this are the dustersx10…not the secret society of Disney “casual whales” that never really existed.
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And I have the suspicion (just that) that the only people paying for this are the dustersx10…not the secret society of Disney “casual whales” that never really existed.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
For it to "sell out" the number has to be a very low number.
TheMaxRebo
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just to expand - the 20% was what I was told Disney expected the take-up rate of Genie+ to be, or more specifically, what IT was told to anticipate the take-up rate to be, but it would up being 40-50%.
I was told second hand so definitely could be in correct but wouldn't be the first time Disney underestimated demand and I do think they thought use of it would be easy and less stressful but it go so heavily used by people trying to maximize it (which makes sense when you spend $ on it) that it didn't work as intended.
Now, they went to their first line of defense in those cases which is to raise the price of it to try and reduce demand but so many Disney guest got trained by FP+ that using a line skipping is what you need to do in order to have a good trip (which ties into a more general shift in society, and then Disney feeds into it and it snowballs).
But I wouldn't be surprised if Disney would like a system that a smaller % of guests use but rather than rip the bandaid and just go right to something like only Premier Pass they are trying to have their cake and eat it too
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I agree. I still think they are using the "sell out" method to get FOMO going to try to get more guests wanting to buy it. I still think the end game is having her Premier Pass being the only option.
Splash4eva
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Lets face it noone can make any educated guess as to how many are being sold… as i state on another thread i just came back and LL lines were the longest ive seen on years…
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
IMO it's due to the Premier Pass. While not many are buying it, it is having an impact. With LLMP they can control the LL queues. With Premier Pass they can't and most use it for the top tier rides
TheMaxRebo
Well-Known Member
a system that just has PP and SP I think could be the best
if 40% of people are getting MP and 5% are getting PP - if in the future say 10-15% get PP I think that would be ok and should keep the standby lines moving a lot better
and for Disney ...
Current (assuming those numbers) for every 100 people:
40 * $30 + 5 *$300 = $2,700
Proposed (lower PP a little to attract a bit more sales):
15 * $200 = $3,000
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
While that could work, I personally would rather they got rid of MP altogether. Keep PP but use the individual LL for the top tier rides in each park. Make the majority of attractions standby only except for those with PP.
TheMaxRebo
Well-Known Member
Maybe I wasn't clear/mistyped but that is exactly what I would want - no MP, just PP and SP
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
You literally can have absolutely no educated comment & neither can most… they literally sold out the MK how many days in a row?!? So we are now saying Disney lied for 10 days straight for what?!? It makes no sense and has ZeRo merit.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Even 1% of guests buying would still be small amount buying it but it would still affect LL queues. That's still 500 to 1000 guests using it.
It's sold out due them limiting to their set number. What's making the waits long is not being able to control when guests enter the queues. Example say 250 of the Premier Pass guests all entered Trons queue at one with everyone that had return times. That would make waits long.
Splash4eva
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That would mean the other 11 hours of operation is fine. Honestly Disney would love for the scenario to happen. Have a small hiccup for a short time. But again anyone who mentions any number is purely a guess and barely an educated one
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Yes it's a guess as they will never tell you the exact numbers. I don't think it's equal to the DAS users they cut. If it is that means it's likely one step closer to removing LLMP and advanced booking.
DisneyCane
Well-Known Member
All I know is that anybody paying $449 per person for this is getting ripped off. I'd rather buy their $20k dream experience thing and make my experience literally skipping to the front of every line (forget lighting lane). I wouldn't buy that either but to pay 2x the admission cost for line skipping is a terrible value IMO.
A family of 4 is paying $900 just to shorten lines for one day. To even consider paying anywhere near that I'd have to be getting a completely different experience. If I pay to stay at the Grand Floridian, I'm getting a completely different tier of accommodations vs. All Star, for example.
The LLPP is getting essentially the same experience as somebody who just pays admission. You can't even use it to do multiple re-rides and get a lot more out of the day, which you could do back in the "good 'ole days" of paper FP at no additional cost.
A family of 4 is paying $900 just to shorten lines for one day. To even consider paying anywhere near that I'd have to be getting a completely different experience. If I pay to stay at the Grand Floridian, I'm getting a completely different tier of accommodations vs. All Star, for example.
The LLPP is getting essentially the same experience as somebody who just pays admission. You can't even use it to do multiple re-rides and get a lot more out of the day, which you could do back in the "good 'ole days" of paper FP at no additional cost.
Jrb1979
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That's all due to not enough capacity for it too work. If they got rid of LLMP kept the Premier Pass availability low they could do re-rides.
The only downside is the majority of guests would be upset that standby would be the option for most.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You have absolutely no idea what “sold out” means?
Nobody does…and they can manipulate that at will if they choose.
Similar to after hours being “sold out” the day before all the time…
No way that can be a sales tactic/PR, huh?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
There is very little doubt it’s a ripoff.
But people will fight you on that to the end
Very little “common” about sense when it goes against vanity and consumer largesse
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
For Disney it definitely is a rip-off, just due to price and how limited it is. IMO it's well worth it at Universal.
JMcMahonEsq
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It’s somehow surprising that the offering with lower numbers offered sells out but the mainstream offering with higher available slots doesn’t?
I mean the statement that LLmp had to be made, 1) it drives sales, and 2) even if the number available is super high they don’t want to deal with complaints if/when a super busy day like Xmas or new years comes around and llmp does sell out and you have people complaining who didn’t book early enough
Splash4eva
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I get all of that. But do you really think they made up being “sold out” 10 days in a row as a marketing ploy?!? Like i said i was there & LL lines have not been that long in yearsssss. Cant blame DAS anymore so.