Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Disstevefan1]

I don't think it's doomsday or anything. I actually think LLMP is a step up from G+. However, vs FP+
FP+>LLMP

• No re-rides
• LLSP dilutes the tier 1 and tier 2
• I don't think MK had tiers under FP+ (but AK did).
• Meet and greets were on it (I think this may change)
• Could be done in a browser or the app

LLMP>FP+

• 7/3 days vs 60/30
• Simpler booking rules (always have 3)
• I don't think FP+ allowed for length of ticket booking for offsite guests. I think it was always 30 days

I don't remember the FP+ park hopping rule or if you could modify tier 2s into a tier 1 after using any of them.

You forget a bullet point for FP+.

FP+ was FREEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

You forget a bullet point for FP+.

FP+ was FREEEEEEEEEEEEE

Amazing how easy it was - in hindsight - to overlook flaws when it didn’t cost an extra $50+ a person to use.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Amazing how easy it was - in hindsight - to overlook flaws when it didn’t cost an extra $50+ a person to use.

 

[doctornick]

Correct. Too bad they eliminated standby. Folks should have the choice to stand in line if they want to,

I think the virtual queue makes sense when a new ride opens to both avoid the massive 3+ hour waits and also to help protect against dumping the line when the ride breaks down as operations gets used to running it. But that needs to run its course and be done with by maybe 6-12 months at most after the ride opens.

It's insane that Cosmic Rewind is still on the VQ especially with Test Track being closed.

 

[doctornick]

The floor is also worse. With genie, because inventory was spread out, your first 3 selections were all tier 1. And that was for all people, as long as they had the extreme basic knowledge of knowing you could book every 2 hours.

It's a huge assumption that many or even most guests have "extreme basic knowledge" of how to best use G+ or LLMP. Most do not which is why they needed the small Guest Services support locations all over the parks to deal with complaints.

 

[Purduevian]

You forget a bullet point for FP+.

FP+ was FREEEEEEEEEEEEE

I was responding to this post. Didn't forget anything. I do basically look at it like a ticket price increase for my family. Not fun, but if my park tickets were $17-$40 more expensive per day I would still be going.

what makes it worse than FP+ (other than having to pay for it)

 

[doctornick]

Are we now saying FP+ was good when all we heard for years was how bad it was for almost all guests especially ones that stayed off site?

Nope. Some people disliked or hated it. Others preferred it. Like every system that Disney has used, it has its supporters and detractors.

When they started G+, a ton of people complained they wanted a system back that allowed for pre-books. And this didn't happen out of the blue - Disney announced many months ago (maybe even a year or so?) that they were going to change to a prebook system for WDW due to demand for that type of process and it just took a while to work out details before implementing.

Edit: it looks like they announced plans for pre-booking G+ way back in May 2023.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Amazing how easy it was - in hindsight - to overlook flaws when it didn’t cost an extra $50+ a person to use.

You bring up an excellent point.

We all know the saying, "You get what you pay for"

Not at Disney!

We now PAY for a WORSE system..

 

[easyrowrdw]

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I hope this woman gets paid every time her gif is used

 

[Splash4eva]

We thought FP+ was fantastic.
I guess I didn't come to this part of the forum back in those days because I never heard a lot of complaints.
As far as offsite people....I don't care....I considered it an onsite perk.

Oh trust me it was a perk and one im glad they brought back and just like you i loved FP+ as well and had great success with it. As i did with Genie+. But yes people said FP wA awful…

 

[Purduevian]

11-11:15 check... what's the best LLs I can get at each park with 5 refreshes:
MK: 6:20 BTMRR, 3:50 Buzz, 8:00pm HM, 6:50 Jungle Cruise, 5:30 Pooh, 11:25 Pirates, 11:15 Space, Tiana (N/A)
EPCOT (Frozen and Remy both down right now): Frozen (N/A), MS (N/A), Remy (N/A), Soarin 1:15, SSE 4:15
DHS: MMRR (N/A), MFSR 1:55, RNRC 7:05, SDD (N/A), TSMM (N/A), ToT N/A)
AK: Dinosaur 11:50, EE 11:30, Kali 4:20, Safari 12:05, Navi 2:50

EPCOT and DHS are rough on 5 refreshes.

 

[doctornick]

Oh trust me it was a perk and one im glad they brought back and just like you i loved FP+ as well and had great success with it. As i did with Genie+. But yes people said FP wA awful…

Some people said FP+ was awful. That's the thing - the people who hated that are a different group than the people who screamed bloody murder about G+ and the lack of pre-booking.

There's nothing that will satisfy everyone since different people prefer different systems. I think it is telling that they are using one system for WDW and a different one for DLR - because they know they have different crowds at each resort with different needs and preferences.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Can you chill out.

That is me chilled out. You should see it when I'm upset!

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

what makes it worse than FP+ (other than having to pay for it)

No re rides. Some rides out of inventory b they are ILLs. So less supply, fewer features. Crap load of $.

Don't you remember how bad FP+ was? It was terrible

 

[Splash4eva]

Some people said FP+ was awful. That's the thing - the people who hated that are a different group than the people who screamed bloody murder about G+ and the lack of pre-booking.

There's nothing that will satisfy everyone since different people prefer different systems. I think it is telling that they are using one system for WDW and a different one for DLR - because they know they have different crowds at each resort with different needs and preferences.

I totally agree there will never be a system that pleases everyone and until much needed capacity is added every one they try will be an issue.

 

[Saskdw]

Oh trust me it was a perk and one im glad they brought back and just like you i loved FP+ as well and had great success with it. As i did with Genie+. But yes people said FP wA awful…

I guess my question would be which people?

If it was the people staying at the Motel 6 up the street I don't care and most likely Disney doesn't care much either.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Has anyone had difficulty getting morning times for later in their trip when they book 7 days out? My fear is 7 days out as I'm picking rides/times most of them are picked over and alot of the AM times are gone due to so many people's trip overlapping?

IE can I get say a time for POTC at 9:30AM on 11/25 if I'm picking on 11/18 (7 days out)? OR when I log in to select times for that day are most or all of the morning times gone by then? I'm afraid of getting stuck with times late in the afternoon/night IF any are left when I log in to try and select.

Oh yes. This is the problem. Let's say you have a week vacation with 5 park days.

You are going to HS on Wednesday, the 4th day of ur trip. At the 7 day mark, you go to book ur 3 selections and SDD is not even available. Then ur next selection is RNR and the earliest return time for that is 5pm.

Problem is, you have Topolinos reservation at 5pm and were planning on being in the parks from 10-4. Now you can't get either of ur top tier 1 selections and the relatively unspoken of part here is that tower of terror is consensus top tier 2 ride and that sells out before some of the tier 1 rides so now you cannot get on any of ur top 3 selections.


This system is awful. People that don't think so just don't understand the nuances of it yet. Theres not one way this is better than genie and that's not debatable

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that it cost you an additional $195 for your family of 5 for you to get on millennium falcon, star tours and alien swirling saucers.

 

[brettf22]

Trying this "hack" again from my house to see what I could get. AK $17 today, MK $27. If I had booked an 8am-9am ITTBAB and let it expire. I think at 9:01am I could go for 3 tier 1s at MK and save $10 per person...

Here’s something I learned today that might preclude this. I’m not sure if this is a change, or if I’ve just never read about this rule.

A friend of mine is there today. When selecting his LLs last week, he couldn’t find more than one tier 2 ride at DHS that his group wanted. So he chose Muppets at 9am, figuring it would expire while he was rope dropping other things, and then he could choose anything available. However, when it expired at 10am, he could only select other tier 2 rides. His group showed as ineligible for a tier 1. He even waited until 10:15, just to see if the grace period affected this. He was still unable to select another tier 1 at 10:15.

He asked at a blue tent and was told to unlock the tier limitations, he couldn’t simply cancel, modify, or *let expire* his first LL. He had to tap in to at least that first LL to be able select another Tier 1.

Again, not sure if this is new, or I’ve just missed it, but this would seemingly preclude getting an early LL at AK to save $ on MK LLs.

 

[cranbiz]

Can you chill out.

Just ignore the troll, eventually he will go away.

 

[JAB]

Here’s something I learned today that might preclude this. I’m not sure if this is a change, or if I’ve just never read about this rule.

A friend of mine is there today. When selecting his LLs last week, he couldn’t find more than one tier 2 ride at DHS that his group wanted. So he chose Muppets at 9am, figuring it would expire while he was rope dropping other things, and then he could choose anything available. However, when it expired at 10am, he could only select other tier 2 rides. His group showed as ineligible for a tier 1. He even waited until 10:15, just to see if the grace period affected this. He was still unable to select another tier 1 at 10:15.

He asked at a blue tent and was told to unlock the tier limitations, he couldn’t simply cancel, modify, or *let expire* his first LL. He had to tap in to at least that first LL to be able select another Tier 1.

Again, not sure if this is new, or I’ve just missed it, but this would seemingly preclude getting an early LL at AK to save $ on MK LLs.

I saw a vlogger report the same thing. He was testing out all the potential ways to "unlock" LL selections, and the only one that worked was using the first LL. When he tried letting an early LL expire, he got the same result as your friend - it didn't count as "used" and didn't unlock more selections.

Seems like Disney might be on to us and has put rules in place to prevent the tier restriction loophole strategies that worked for FP+.