Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Disstevefan1]

With a few exceptions, Genie+ (or whatever the latest stupid name is) isn't required to be able to ride rides. You can still wait in stand by.

It’s too bad they eliminated standby on some rides.

If folks want to wait in line, let them.

 

[Skibum1970]

It’s too bad they eliminated standby on some rides.

If folks want to wait in line, let them.

I think that it is mainly TRON, Guardians, and Tiana (basically those with virtual queues).

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Absolutely the educated guests will do better than uneducated. My suspicion though is that the peak won’t be quite as good as G+ but that the floor will be better than G+.

But I think super users will still do just fine. And if there are drops during the day and those get known then it potentially won’t be that different from G+

The floor is also worse. With genie, because inventory was spread out, your first 3 selections were all tier 1. And that was for all people, as long as they had the extreme basic knowledge of knowing you could book every 2 hours.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

This is absolutely the worst version of this system.

They reduced the inventory of available Multi Pass Lightning Lanes relative to Fastpass+ and added a price point. More than ever before, I think this may be my breaking point. The system in Disneyland is substantially better than Disney World.

1,000,000% this. This is the absolute worst system they have ever had.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Strongly disliking this system. I have a trip from August 3 to 11 and I'm looking at MK August 10, almost two weeks out, and this is the best we can do:

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By the time we can start using these in the early afternoon we'd be looking at scraps to fill in the rest of the day. Now we play a modifying game.

Exactly why this system is terrible. I will bet anything this get modified before the holidays. There is no way in hell getting those 3 rides is worth $35 pp.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Not everyone can lock in three separate one hour windows that are largely immovable objects. Disney World is a vacation that involves children and children can't always be scheduled.

Advanced bookings of 3 attractions + Lightning Lane Single Pass has dramatically reduced the same day flexibility. It's the same problems that plagued Fastpass+ but exaggerated even further. The overall inventory for the 3 Lightning Lane Multi Pass is reduced because attractions that would otherwise be Tier 1 are essentially in their own Single Pass tier.

This system is unsustainable in its current form.

This system is an unmitigated disaster and that's not hyperbole. It will have the lowest guest satisfaction ratings of all of the systems

 

[Disstevefan1]

I think that it is mainly TRON, Guardians, and Tiana (basically those with virtual queues).

Correct. Too bad they eliminated standby. Folks should have the choice to stand in line if they want to,

 

[Purduevian]

As much as crowds were indeed lower, the COVID era standby only was so much smoother. Lines moved quickly as they were not constantly stopping for FP/Genie/Lightning etc. I understand exceptions for DAS, but I wish we could just have standby only.

Disney rides were generally designed to be extremely efficient and FP/Genie/whatever messes up a lot of the efficiency and makes the experience worse in the long run, IMO.

Counter Point. Those that know how to use the system will have a much better time if they use the skip the line system than an all standby day. I had my "worst" (still a great day) day at MK ~2 weeks before G+ launched.

Looking at touring plans, they dropped Tiana FPs every hour at :48, I got really lucky as I didn't know that. I didn't see any other noticeable behavior from the other attractions.

Are the drop times behind a paywall? If not, would you mind sharing the link? If they are behind the paywall, don't share as that's how Len makes his money. (I'll probably subscribe closer to my trip just for the drop times)

 

[JD80]

This system is an unmitigated disaster and that's not hyperbole. It will have the lowest guest satisfaction ratings of all of the systems

Can you chill out.

 

[Ayla]

It’s too bad they eliminated standby on some rides.

If folks want to wait in line, let them.

I agree. VQ is nothing more than false demand and none of them need a VQ, anymore.

 

[GhostHost1000]

This system is an unmitigated disaster and that's not hyperbole. It will have the lowest guest satisfaction ratings of all of the systems

what makes it worse than FP+ (other than having to pay for it)

 

[Disstevefan1]

This system is an unmitigated disaster and that's not hyperbole. It will have the lowest guest satisfaction ratings of all of the systems

 

[Disstevefan1]

I agree. VQ is nothing more than false demand and none of them need a VQ, anymore.

 

[lightningtap347]

Counter Point. Those that know how to use the system will have a much better time if they use the skip the line system than an all standby day. I had my "worst" (still a great day) day at MK ~2 weeks before G+ launched.

Are the drop times behind a paywall? If not, would you mind sharing the link? If they are behind the paywall, don't share as that's how Len makes his money. (I'll probably subscribe closer to my trip just for the drop times)

Sorry - it was thrill data! No paywall at all, here you go: https://www.thrill-data.com/lightning-lane/wdw/tianasbayouadventure/07/28/2024

 

[Splash4eva]

what makes it worse than FP+ (other than having to pay for it)

Are we now saying FP+ was good when all we heard for years was how bad it was for almost all guests especially ones that stayed off site?

 

[Saskdw]

Are we now saying FP+ was good when all we heard for years was how bad it was for almost all guests especially ones that stayed off site?

We thought FP+ was fantastic.
I guess I didn't come to this part of the forum back in those days because I never heard a lot of complaints.
As far as offsite people....I don't care....I considered it an onsite perk.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Are we now saying FP+ was good when all we heard for years was how bad it was for almost all guests especially ones that stayed off site?

Yes compared to what we have now.

FP+ was free, you had nothing to lose.

 

[Purduevian]

what makes it worse than FP+ (other than having to pay for it)

I don't think it's doomsday or anything. I actually think LLMP is a step up from G+. However, vs FP+
FP+>LLMP

• No re-rides
• LLSP dilutes the tier 1 and tier 2
• I don't think MK had tiers under FP+ (but AK did).
• Meet and greets were on it (I think this may change)
• Could be done in a browser or the app

LLMP>FP+

• 7/3 days vs 60/30
• Simpler booking rules (always have 3)
• I don't think FP+ allowed for length of ticket booking for offsite guests. I think it was always 30 days

I don't remember the FP+ park hopping rule or if you could modify tier 2s into a tier 1 after using any of them.

 

[ashleyk]

Hi! I asked this question last week but I think it might have gotten lost in the shuffle..

Do we know yet how the new system will work on party days (Halloween, Christmas, etc.)? If you have a party ticket (and not a "regular" park ticket) for a given day, will you be able to purchase LLMP and book attractions with return times starting at 4 p.m.? Not sure it would be worth it given the price, but just curious if having a party ticket would allow you to book times in the general 4 - 7 p.m. overlap window between party guests gaining entrance to the park and park closing time for non-party guests. Thank you!

 

[Heelz2315]

Has anyone had difficulty getting morning times for later in their trip when they book 7 days out? My fear is 7 days out as I'm picking rides/times most of them are picked over and alot of the AM times are gone due to so many people's trip overlapping?

IE can I get say a time for POTC at 9:30AM on 11/25 if I'm picking on 11/18 (7 days out)? OR when I log in to select times for that day are most or all of the morning times gone by then? I'm afraid of getting stuck with times late in the afternoon/night IF any are left when I log in to try and select.