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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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SingleRider
Premium Member
So it's basically going back to the FP+ days, just with Disney getting $15 extra per person per day. Lovely.
CJR
Well-Known Member
Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
The Disney CEO comments on the usage of Disney's pay-to-ride system Genie+ at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort.www.wdwmagic.com
Up to 50%, eh? Wonder how the "at least 50%" who don't upgrade enjoy their time at the parks?
Up to?Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
The Disney CEO comments on the usage of Disney's pay-to-ride system Genie+ at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort.
That could also mean less than.
I wonder how many of those less than 50% like it.
Wordsmithing at its finest. Or worst, in this case.
I'd bet fewer than half of those who buy it are happy with it. And that means... they won't buy it again.
flynnibus
Premium Member
"As we return to a more normalized environment we look forward to more fully capitalizing on the extraordinary demand for our parks along with realized benefits that took shape this quarter"Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
Up to 50 percent of Walt Disney World park guests are upgrading to Disney Genie+ according to Bob Chapek
The Disney CEO comments on the usage of Disney's pay-to-ride system Genie+ at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Resort.
There's that YIELD again... how to squeeze more from each person. Like vampires.
Squishy
Well-Known Member
What's more sad is they don't even care to hide it anymore.
floydbeatle
Active Member
Yep. Except it won't be $15 for long, when Disney decides that due to popular demand, and the purported need to keep the system viable, they need to raise prices to $30 or more.
runnsally
Well-Known Member
I think it does make sense to keep raising the price until utilization is closer to 25-30% of guests. Otherwise, they’ll have to increase LL allocation and standby will become undoable.
Club Cooloholic
Well-Known Member
Oh well if everyone is doing it should work out great for getting the reservations I want lol
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Yep - they're basically making it known that now fully game on: them vs. the guests.
There was the lingering concern that with both Genie+ and ILL, Disney would be able to turn the problem with overcrowding into a financial opportunity and at the same time, disincentivize themselves from doing anything at all to fix this issue.
The question was, what was to prevent them from going that route now that they could make money off not having enough capacity?
Apparently, the answer to that question is nothing, nothing at all.
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Allocation is already heavily tilted towards LL vs. standby.
“Sir, guests are hating the new system. Should we try to fix it?”
“What?!?! NO! Raise the price and put out a PR fluff piece to make it seem popular. And you’re fired!”
Tom Morrow
Well-Known Member
I have largely ignored Genie+ since its inception. But I have long been an advocate on these forums for NO Fastpass system at all. Having said that, I now finally have spent a few days in the parks with Genie+ in place but not purchasing it since I am a local. Here's my 2 cents: I NEVER thought I would say this, but I would even take Fastpass+ back over this.
My favorite way to visit the parks has always been to go in the late afternoon and early evening when crowds used to start dying down. In the days of Fastpass+ I could usually still at least reserve an attraction or two I wanted to ride. Now I can't do that. In the Covid/no Fastpass days, I was able to ride stuff because the lines were moving faster. Can't do that now. In the days of paper Fastpass, there would usually still be some available, or people had mostly used all they could for the day by the evening so the impact on the standby lines was minimal.
Now, they have both successfully found a way to keep the queues filled all the way to park close AND require you to pay up to skip them. We had hoped that having a paywall behind the service would reduce the amount of people using the Fastpass, excuse me, Lightning Lane entrances, thereby reducing the demand and allotting for a more flowing standby line. But, this does not appear to be the case. Maybe on light days? But on a light day, you don't need it. The busier the park is > the more people buy Genie+ > the less they can actually use Genie+ > the more it prohibits the standby lines.
Here's how I would rank the park experience:
1. Legacy Fastpass (only if you knew how to game the system like me, for the average guest, number 2 is best)
2. NO Fastpass type system at all
3. Fastpass+
4. Genie+
My favorite way to visit the parks has always been to go in the late afternoon and early evening when crowds used to start dying down. In the days of Fastpass+ I could usually still at least reserve an attraction or two I wanted to ride. Now I can't do that. In the Covid/no Fastpass days, I was able to ride stuff because the lines were moving faster. Can't do that now. In the days of paper Fastpass, there would usually still be some available, or people had mostly used all they could for the day by the evening so the impact on the standby lines was minimal.
Now, they have both successfully found a way to keep the queues filled all the way to park close AND require you to pay up to skip them. We had hoped that having a paywall behind the service would reduce the amount of people using the Fastpass, excuse me, Lightning Lane entrances, thereby reducing the demand and allotting for a more flowing standby line. But, this does not appear to be the case. Maybe on light days? But on a light day, you don't need it. The busier the park is > the more people buy Genie+ > the less they can actually use Genie+ > the more it prohibits the standby lines.
Here's how I would rank the park experience:
1. Legacy Fastpass (only if you knew how to game the system like me, for the average guest, number 2 is best)
2. NO Fastpass type system at all
3. Fastpass+
4. Genie+
pdude81
Well-Known Member
This service seems most specifically designed to get more money out of guests like you
HoustonHorn
Premium Member
G+ is a classic prisoner's dilemma, and Disney is clearly our jailor.
It’s really not, so long as you get EE and rope drop you don’t need it.
