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mikejs78

mikejs78

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Kamikaze said:
You're not accounting for the same person entering MK multiple times via APs or just multi-day tickets.
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I mean, sure, but I've been told that APs represent a small portion of Disney attendance. But OK. Let's say 1/2 of the 20M can be accounted for by repeat visitors (either AP or multi-day tickets). That's being generous. And the 1M reach of a vlogger is also very generous. Yet even in that case, it's only 10%.
 
pdude81

pdude81

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mikejs78 said:
I mean, sure, but I've been told that APs represent a small portion of Disney attendance. But OK. Let's say 1/2 of the 20M can be accounted for by repeat visitors (either AP or multi-day tickets). That's being generous. And the 1M reach of a vlogger is also very generous. Yet even in that case, it's only 10%.
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Do you think these days that 50% of people only enter MK once in a trip and make one trip per year? Certainly a good number of people do each park once, but my assumption would be that nearly anybody with more than 4 days of tickets is repeating at MK. And honestly some with 3 day tickets just go there and DHS.
 
mikejs78

mikejs78

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pdude81 said:
Do you think these days that 50% of people only enter MK once in a trip and make one trip per year? Certainly a good number of people do each park once, but my assumption would be that nearly anybody with more than 4 days of tickets is repeating at MK. And honestly some with 3 day tickets just go there and DHS.
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There's a ton of day guests at MK - single day tickets. A typical 4 day pass will also have one visit to each park. Your 3 day ticket analogy probably holds true for a number of people, and > 4 days probably skews towards MK. But I still think 50% is generous.

I'd wonder if anyone out there has any idea of unique visitors to MK each year. > or < 10M on average? @MansionButler84, @peter11435 ?
 
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brettf22

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mikejs78 said:
Let's see. 20 million people visit MK a year.
The top vloggers have much less than a million subscribers, most have far, far less than that.

But let's say the top vloggers reach a million people. That's still only 5% of the annual MK attendance. And most people do not go every year.
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First off, I agree that vloggers/bloggers have a limited reach (even though Disney thinks it's an important enough reach to court with free stuff). But, your estimation is off since they don't have to reach every person in a family/group. Only the planner. So, if the top vloggers reached a million people, that would actually be a 4 million person reach (assuming an average of 4 people per family/group). That would then equate to 20% of MK attendance.

Again, not that I think their reach is that great. But as the military says, reaching the planner is a force multiplier.
 
mikejs78

mikejs78

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brettf22 said:
First off, I agree that vloggers/bloggers have a limited reach (even though Disney thinks it's an important enough reach to court with free stuff). But, your estimation is off since they don't have to reach every person in a family/group. Only the planner. So, if the top vloggers reached a million people, that would actually be a 4 million person reach (assuming an average of 4 people per family/group). That would then equate to 20% of MK attendance.

Again, not that I think their reach is that great. But as the military says, reaching the planner is a force multiplier.
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That's true - although that assumes that only one person in a 4 person household watches the vloggers.. Even at 20% that's still on the low side of overall attendance, but I think 4M reach is extremely overestimating.

Regardless, very few if any vloggers command that kind of audience. Most maybe reach 100k at best. Only a few command a high subscriber count that is even close to 1M (Tim Tracker with around 800k) and even then, most of their videos don't get more than about 150k views.

They are an important demographic because this demographic is likely to visit Disney multiple times and spend more $$$.
 
Jeff4272

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flynnibus said:
The concern is the typical legacy FP one. The headliner will run out of available slots right away... because everyone wants it. If people take every FoP slot, they don't need to care if the slot they pick is at 4pm, because in the old model they wouldn't be blocked out of other uses until 4pm.. only until their cool off period times out.

Same with the paid slots... just having to wait to a later timeslot alone isn't a big enough discouragement for people to take the slot.

This is why people are freaking they need to make reservations at 7am... not because they want the first reservations, but because they think the pool for the day will be depleted.

I think Disney won't let that happen - by not letting all slots be available 'first come first serve' but instead use multiple releases of blocks. I just don't think they will rely on user tolerance to be the regulator.
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This is the biggest factor in my eyes and still remains to be seen...


I do think rides will "sell out" like the old paper FP system

and to me, that was the second worst part of it (running at rope drop was first)
 
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jpinkc

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Jeff4272 said:
Except this year so far since nobody is buying the Christmas Party tickets.....Looks like WDW might have finally priced something too high

Not 1 Christmas party has sold out yet
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I think they will sell out. Its a bit early and people are still edgy about crowds to some extent.
 
Jeff4272

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jpinkc said:
I think they will sell out. Its a bit early and people are still edgy about crowds to some extent.
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Some will, but this feels different this year.........Maybe its covid but if it was, you would think the Halloween event would have suffered the same fate but it didnt.........I think its just too overpriced

Think about it.........my family of 5 could get 2 more full days park tickets for the same price as this 4 hour party.........

Or one more night in the hotel and full day in the park.......

Who would do that? an extra night in hotel, plus park tickets vs 4 hours at that event............easy decision if you ask me
 
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Patcheslee

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Jeff4272 said:
Some will, but this feels different this year.........Maybe its covid but if it was, you would think the Halloween event would have suffered the same fate but it didnt.........I think its just too overpriced

Think about it.........my family of 5 could get 2 more full days park tickets for the same price as this 4 hour party.........

Or one more night in the hotel and full day in the park.......

Who would do that? an extra night in hotel, plus park tickets vs 4 hours at that event............easy decision if you ask me
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By the time they release party or after hours events we've already had our room and tickets booked for months. There have been very few instances I've wanted to spend the extra, but it was already budgeted for in the "one expensive thing" category. Usually it just goes to some place outside the park like Medieval Times or some other activity vs to Disney.
 
wdwmagic

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JakeAZ said:
IMO this announcement was more to let investors know monetization is coming.

The executive structure is so far removed from the actual day to day running of the parks / guest experience, they couldn't care less if this launches tomorrow or next year.
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I think the situation is the absolute opposite to that. Chapek is very much involved in Genie.
 
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jpinkc

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